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We know how to get past those kind of questioners, just confuse them enough.
I'm glad u have a sense of humor with ur mockery.
Hey, I only mock you because you believe in obvious bullshit and lies. If you don't like it, you can always take the door with you on your way out.
Your two angels don't exist. Your heavenly gardens don't exist. Your seventy two ever renewing virgins (or is it currants, that dot placement is very vague) don't exist. Your soul doesn't exist (consciousness is an emergent consequence of the evolution of increasingly complex brains and synaptical patterns, nothing more), your paedophile pigshit eating god doesn't exist.
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 30, 2016 at 5:46 pm
(January 28, 2016 at 6:56 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: Well I know how a lot of atheists believe in scientific and astronomical reasoning and as I said there are plenty of examples of the Qur'an that are supported by these schools of thought. For example there are 114 chapters in the Qur'an. Ch.57 is Al-Hadyd or The Iron. Arabic letters have numerical value like Roman numerals in a sense. So with the word for iron Hadyd...(Ha)H=8 (Dal)D=4 (Ya)Y=10 and (Dal)=4. Add these values together u get 26. Look on any periodic table on Fe the symbol for iron u see the atomic number is 26. Now furthermore the Arabic article Al which means the (Alif)A=1 and(Lam)L=30. Add this 31 to the value of 26 Making it 57 and Al-Hadyd "The iron" which is the chapter name and number. To take it 1 step further 57 is exactly halfway through the Qur'an..scientists have discovered that if u cut the Earth in half, exactly to its inner core, it consists of molten iron.
You know, earlier I asked you to give scientific predictions in the quran, but you ignored that question. Here though, you give the kind of shitty answer I was half expecting you to give. As I said previously, you can't go back to the quran after something is discovered scientificaly and say "Aha! (this joke is not for you Sheed, it is only for people who like using their brains at least some of the time) The quran predicted that!" because that is not how it works. In order to show that the quran predicted that Iron had 26 protons in it, either you would have to show us the passage which says the equivalent of "Iron has 26 protons in it's nucleus" or a scholar able to show conclusively, before the scientific discovery, that the relevant passages are concerned with the composition of Iron. Kabbalistic number bullshit does not cut it, not even remotely, because if you juggle any book long enough around enough you can get it to indicate anything.
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 31, 2016 at 4:04 am (This post was last modified: January 31, 2016 at 4:15 am by Sheed1980.)
(January 30, 2016 at 5:46 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(January 28, 2016 at 6:56 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: Well I know how a lot of atheists believe in scientific and astronomical reasoning and as I said there are plenty of examples of the Qur'an that are supported by these schools of thought. For example there are 114 chapters in the Qur'an. Ch.57 is Al-Hadyd or The Iron. Arabic letters have numerical value like Roman numerals in a sense. So with the word for iron Hadyd...(Ha)H=8 (Dal)D=4 (Ya)Y=10 and (Dal)=4. Add these values together u get 26. Look on any periodic table on Fe the symbol for iron u see the atomic number is 26. Now furthermore the Arabic article Al which means the (Alif)A=1 and(Lam)L=30. Add this 31 to the value of 26 Making it 57 and Al-Hadyd "The iron" which is the chapter name and number. To take it 1 step further 57 is exactly halfway through the Qur'an..scientists have discovered that if u cut the Earth in half, exactly to its inner core, it consists of molten iron.
You know, earlier I asked you to give scientific predictions in the quran, but you ignored that question. Here though, you give the kind of shitty answer I was half expecting you to give. As I said previously, you can't go back to the quran after something is discovered scientificaly and say "Aha! (this joke is not for you Sheed, it is only for people who like using their brains at least some of the time) The quran predicted that!" because that is not how it works. In order to show that the quran predicted that Iron had 26 protons in it, either you would have to show us the passage which says the equivalent of "Iron has 26 protons in it's nucleus" or a scholar able to show conclusively, before the scientific discovery, that the relevant passages are concerned with the composition of Iron. Kabbalistic number bullshit does not cut it, not even remotely, because if you juggle any book long enough around enough you can get it to indicate anything.
So check any periodic table or ask any scientist what the atomic number for iron is. I guarantee they say 26 if they're honest. And I said the Earth's core is molten iron
(January 30, 2016 at 5:36 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(January 30, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: I'm glad u have a sense of humor with ur mockery.
Hey, I only mock you because you believe in obvious bullshit and lies. If you don't like it, you can always take the door with you on your way out.
Your two angels don't exist. Your heavenly gardens don't exist. Your seventy two ever renewing virgins (or is it currants, that dot placement is very vague) don't exist. Your soul doesn't exist (consciousness is an emergent consequence of the evolution of increasingly complex brains and synaptical patterns, nothing more), your paedophile pigshit eating god doesn't exist.
If u believe what u say is true. Invoke the curse and wrath of the God of the heavens and the Earth, that u don't believe exists, on yourself in this life and in the Hereafter. Since u believe God nor the Hereafter exists there shouldn't be a problem at all with u making this statement right?
(January 30, 2016 at 4:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(January 30, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: I'm glad u have a sense of humor with ur mockery. But it is much more serious than that I guarantee. 2 angels named Munkar and Nakir, with jet black faces and blue eyes and voices like thunder will sit u up in ur grave and ask u 3 simple questions and they want straight answers. Who is your Lord? What is your religion? Who was this man sent to you as prophet? Those who disbelieve will answer incorrectly and will hear a voice say"My servant has lied, prepare for them a coffin from Hellfire." Then u will be shown a window of Paradise. It will be said this is what your Lord has prepared for you, but since you disbelieved you receive this instead. Then an ugly man with a foul stench as your bad deeds will keep you company as you are wrapped in burning shrouds of hellfire. The grave will squeeze your body so tight that your ribs will switch places. The 2 angels will strike you with iron hammers so powerful they will turn a mountain to dust. You will beg Allah not to bring on the Day of Judgment so you dont receive hellfire.However, those of us who believe will answer Allah is my Lord. Islam is my religion. The man sent to me was prophet Muhammad pbuh. We then hear a voice saying "My servant has told the truth, prepare for them a coffin from Paradise. Then you will be shown a window of Hellfire. It will be said This is what your Lord has prepared for you but since you believed and did good you receive this instead. Then your grave will be filled with light and space as far as the eye can see. You will be wrapped in comfortable garments with the sweetest scent of musk and a pleasant breeze from Paradise. Then a handsome good smellIng person as your good deeds will keep you company until the Day of Judgment. You will be so pleased and ready to receive your reward that you will beg Allah to bring on the Day of Judgment. Which situation would you like to be in my friend?
So all of these examples that I can give are just one big coincidence? How many coincidences do u need to see before u say this had to be planned by someone?
No not even coincidence, just made up bullshit. None of what you posted is an actual demonstration of knowledge. Just made up junk. Try debating some Christians or Jews or Hindus.
This Christian website would claim science matches their bible.
I say you are all wrong and religion is all man made and all of you are simply trying to retrofit science into garbage looking backwards after the fact.
Well to you be your way of belief and to me be mine
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 31, 2016 at 5:20 am
(January 31, 2016 at 4:04 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 30, 2016 at 5:46 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: You know, earlier I asked you to give scientific predictions in the quran, but you ignored that question. Here though, you give the kind of shitty answer I was half expecting you to give. As I said previously, you can't go back to the quran after something is discovered scientificaly and say "Aha! (this joke is not for you Sheed, it is only for people who like using their brains at least some of the time) The quran predicted that!" because that is not how it works. In order to show that the quran predicted that Iron had 26 protons in it, either you would have to show us the passage which says the equivalent of "Iron has 26 protons in it's nucleus" or a scholar able to show conclusively, before the scientific discovery, that the relevant passages are concerned with the composition of Iron. Kabbalistic number bullshit does not cut it, not even remotely, because if you juggle any book long enough around enough you can get it to indicate anything.
So check any periodic table or ask any scientist what the atomic number for iron is. I guarantee they say 26 if they're honest. And I said the Earth's core is molten iron
(January 30, 2016 at 5:36 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Hey, I only mock you because you believe in obvious bullshit and lies. If you don't like it, you can always take the door with you on your way out.
Your two angels don't exist. Your heavenly gardens don't exist. Your seventy two ever renewing virgins (or is it currants, that dot placement is very vague) don't exist. Your soul doesn't exist (consciousness is an emergent consequence of the evolution of increasingly complex brains and synaptical patterns, nothing more), your paedophile pigshit eating god doesn't exist.
If u believe what u say is true. Invoke the curse and wrath of the God of the heavens and the Earth, that u don't believe exists, on yourself in this life and in the Hereafter. Since u believe God nor the Hereafter exists there shouldn't be a problem at all with u making this statement right?
(January 30, 2016 at 4:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No not even coincidence, just made up bullshit. None of what you posted is an actual demonstration of knowledge. Just made up junk. Try debating some Christians or Jews or Hindus.
This Christian website would claim science matches their bible.
I say you are all wrong and religion is all man made and all of you are simply trying to retrofit science into garbage looking backwards after the fact.
Quote:Well to you be your way of belief and to me be mine
Don't you know that Allah hates it when you ask too many questions about religious matters?
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 31, 2016 at 10:24 am
(January 31, 2016 at 5:39 am)robvalue Wrote: But really, science is just the study of what an utter fuck up God is and how he could have done things better.
There is no such thing as an invisible sky wizard, but yea, if they want to claim one exists, there is simply no polite way to point out the fact that reality is not propping up their claims.
50 million humans die worldwide per year from everything. If they want to claim a cosmic factory owner and we are his precious product, seems like his output sucks.
I wouldn't hire such a selective deadbeat to run a bicycle factory with such lousy output. The bikes would end up with squid for spokes and the factory workers would murder each other over the competing assembly manuals.
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 31, 2016 at 11:04 am
(January 31, 2016 at 4:04 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(January 30, 2016 at 5:46 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: You know, earlier I asked you to give scientific predictions in the quran, but you ignored that question. Here though, you give the kind of shitty answer I was half expecting you to give. As I said previously, you can't go back to the quran after something is discovered scientificaly and say "Aha! (this joke is not for you Sheed, it is only for people who like using their brains at least some of the time) The quran predicted that!" because that is not how it works. In order to show that the quran predicted that Iron had 26 protons in it, either you would have to show us the passage which says the equivalent of "Iron has 26 protons in it's nucleus" or a scholar able to show conclusively, before the scientific discovery, that the relevant passages are concerned with the composition of Iron. Kabbalistic number bullshit does not cut it, not even remotely, because if you juggle any book long enough around enough you can get it to indicate anything.
So check any periodic table or ask any scientist what the atomic number for iron is. I guarantee they say 26 if they're honest. And I said the Earth's core is molten iron
And as I pointed out to you the fact that you can make the number 26 as part of a Kabalistic rite doesn't mean shit, because the quran doesn't predict that the atomic number of Iron is 26. All this work showing that the quran predicts the atomic number of Iron was done after the atomic number of Iron (ie the number of protons) was discovered to be 26. What you need to do to show that there was some islamic scholar who used the quran to predict that number before it was found by other means, something which you cannot do. You saying the quran makes scientific predictions is like me predicting today the score of the 2015 All Ireland Hurling final, totally not worth shit.
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(January 30, 2016 at 5:36 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Hey, I only mock you because you believe in obvious bullshit and lies. If you don't like it, you can always take the door with you on your way out.
Your two angels don't exist. Your heavenly gardens don't exist. Your seventy two ever renewing virgins (or is it currants, that dot placement is very vague) don't exist. Your soul doesn't exist (consciousness is an emergent consequence of the evolution of increasingly complex brains and synaptical patterns, nothing more), your paedophile pigshit eating god doesn't exist.
If u believe what u say is true. Invoke the curse and wrath of the God of the heavens and the Earth, that u don't believe exists, on yourself in this life and in the Hereafter. Since u believe God nor the Hereafter exists there shouldn't be a problem at all with u making this statement right?
Happy to oblige. The reason why there is a stricture against eating pork and other pig producst in islam is that mohammed loved being fucked up the arse by hogs, so much that he couldn't do anything else most days of the week. He also loved the feeling of little piglets sucking off his engorged milk laden tits. That is why also that every muslim cleric must spend every Saturday wallowing around naked in pig shit, being serviced by at least ten hogs.
I know I can say this, because there is no punishment out there for me saying bad things about imaginary people and deities. And I will continue saying them until you get the message that all your screeching about punishment in a non-existent next life isn't worth the pigshit you so obviously love eating.
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 31, 2016 at 6:37 pm
(January 31, 2016 at 11:04 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(January 31, 2016 at 4:04 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: So check any periodic table or ask any scientist what the atomic number for iron is. I guarantee they say 26 if they're honest. And I said the Earth's core is molten iron
And as I pointed out to you the fact that you can make the number 26 as part of a Kabalistic rite doesn't mean shit, because the quran doesn't predict that the atomic number of Iron is 26. All this work showing that the quran predicts the atomic number of Iron was done after the atomic number of Iron (ie the number of protons) was discovered to be 26. What you need to do to show that there was some islamic scholar who used the quran to predict that number before it was found by other means, something which you cannot do. You saying the quran makes scientific predictions is like me predicting today the score of the 2015 All Ireland Hurling final, totally not worth shit.
Quote:If u believe what u say is true. Invoke the curse and wrath of the God of the heavens and the Earth, that u don't believe exists, on yourself in this life and in the Hereafter. Since u believe God nor the Hereafter exists there shouldn't be a problem at all with u making this statement right?
Happy to oblige. The reason why there is a stricture against eating pork and other pig producst in islam is that mohammed loved being fucked up the arse by hogs, so much that he couldn't do anything else most days of the week. He also loved the feeling of little piglets sucking off his engorged milk laden tits. That is why also that every muslim cleric must spend every Saturday wallowing around naked in pig shit, being serviced by at least ten hogs.
I know I can say this, because there is no punishment out there for me saying bad things about imaginary people and deities. And I will continue saying them until you get the message that all your screeching about punishment in a non-existent next life isn't worth the pigshit you so obviously love eating.
But u what u fail to understand is that atomic numbers were not introduced to the science world until the early 1900s. The Qur'an was revealed in the 7th century approximately 1300 years before mankind had any knowledge of atomic numbers. So God Allah whose words are the Quran, revealed this long b4 man knew about it, but with technology today we confirm it and know it's the absolute truth. And the reason we are forbidden to eat pork is because pigs are filthy animals without sweat glands. This is why they root and sleep in their crap and mud to stay cool. So they can't rid their bodies of impurities which is why people who don't eat pork will get sick at the stomach from eating toxicated impurities in the meat. So do research on things before u mock and speak negatively about our religious leader, who was given to us by God as the best model for mankind to follow
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 31, 2016 at 7:11 pm (This post was last modified: January 31, 2016 at 7:23 pm by ReptilianPeon.)
So, uh getting back to the original post, if Allah has the perfect plan, why should I make Dua? Am I hoping Allah changes its perfect plan just for me? Am I expecting to be trusted differently to others? Maybe have Allah suspend the free will of others so that I get what I want?
And Sheed1980, cows and chickens are pretty dirty. Cows have tuberculosis and chickens have salmonella and bird flu, H1N1, which is fatal to humans. In decades pat you could die simply from eating chicken eggs, but Allah has no problem with chickens. Which is funny when you consider this video:
(Makes chickens look rather less appetizing) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PtLIyTznFTw
All I'm trying to say is that I if we go down 'the road' of saying one type of meat is dirty we might as well be vegans. Oceans contain so much dissolved plastic nowadays that fish aren't 'clean' either. All that plastic that fish is accumulating will increase your cancer risk, the more fish you eat.
RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 31, 2016 at 7:19 pm (This post was last modified: January 31, 2016 at 7:19 pm by Sheed1980.)
(January 31, 2016 at 11:04 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(January 31, 2016 at 4:04 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: So check any periodic table or ask any scientist what the atomic number for iron is. I guarantee they say 26 if they're honest. And I said the Earth's core is molten iron
And as I pointed out to you the fact that you can make the number 26 as part of a Kabalistic rite doesn't mean shit, because the quran doesn't predict that the atomic number of Iron is 26. All this work showing that the quran predicts the atomic number of Iron was done after the atomic number of Iron (ie the number of protons) was discovered to be 26. What you need to do to show that there was some islamic scholar who used the quran to predict that number before it was found by other means, something which you cannot do. You saying the quran makes scientific predictions is like me predicting today the score of the 2015 All Ireland Hurling final, totally not worth shit.
Quote:If u believe what u say is true. Invoke the curse and wrath of the God of the heavens and the Earth, that u don't believe exists, on yourself in this life and in the Hereafter. Since u believe God nor the Hereafter exists there shouldn't be a problem at all with u making this statement right?
Happy to oblige. The reason why there is a stricture against eating pork and other pig producst in islam is that mohammed loved being fucked up the arse by hogs, so much that he couldn't do anything else most days of the week. He also loved the feeling of little piglets sucking off his engorged milk laden tits. That is why also that every muslim cleric must spend every Saturday wallowing around naked in pig shit, being serviced by at least ten hogs.
I know I can say this, because there is no punishment out there for me saying bad things about imaginary people and deities. And I will continue saying them until you get the message that all your screeching about punishment in a non-existent next life isn't worth the pigshit you so obviously love eating.
Since ur so happy to oblige, send me a response with u staying "You invoke Allah's wrath and curse on you in this life and the Hereafter if what you say about Allah's nonexistence is NOT true. To simplify it for u, u wish the God that u say does not exist, will curse will curse u and be furiously angry with u if He does exist
(January 31, 2016 at 11:04 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(January 31, 2016 at 4:04 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: So check any periodic table or ask any scientist what the atomic number for iron is. I guarantee they say 26 if they're honest. And I said the Earth's core is molten iron
And as I pointed out to you the fact that you can make the number 26 as part of a Kabalistic rite doesn't mean shit, because the quran doesn't predict that the atomic number of Iron is 26. All this work showing that the quran predicts the atomic number of Iron was done after the atomic number of Iron (ie the number of protons) was discovered to be 26. What you need to do to show that there was some islamic scholar who used the quran to predict that number before it was found by other means, something which you cannot do. You saying the quran makes scientific predictions is like me predicting today the score of the 2015 All Ireland Hurling final, totally not worth shit.
Quote:If u believe what u say is true. Invoke the curse and wrath of the God of the heavens and the Earth, that u don't believe exists, on yourself in this life and in the Hereafter. Since u believe God nor the Hereafter exists there shouldn't be a problem at all with u making this statement right?
Happy to oblige. The reason why there is a stricture against eating pork and other pig producst in islam is that mohammed loved being fucked up the arse by hogs, so much that he couldn't do anything else most days of the week. He also loved the feeling of little piglets sucking off his engorged milk laden tits. That is why also that every muslim cleric must spend every Saturday wallowing around naked in pig shit, being serviced by at least ten hogs.
I know I can say this, because there is no punishment out there for me saying bad things about imaginary people and deities. And I will continue saying them until you get the message that all your screeching about punishment in a non-existent next life isn't worth the pigshit you so obviously love eating.
Since ur so happy to oblige, send me a response with u staying "You invoke Allah's wrath and curse on you in this life and the Hereafter if what you say about Allah's nonexistence is NOT true. To simplify it for u, u wish the God that u say does not exist, will curse u and be furiously angry with u if He does exist
