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RE: Homosexuality
February 4, 2016 at 8:30 pm
(February 4, 2016 at 7:31 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (February 4, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Mermaid Wrote: I don't get why people are so obsessed with why. Who cares why? It just is.
Personally I care why because I'm not a homosexual and I like to learn about other people's experiences, opinions and general outlook on the topic. I think all kinds of sexual desires and behavioural patterns are fascinating.
Who else cares? Well apart from far left liberals or people from the other end of the spectrum (Christians, Muslims other people who mostly seem to not like gay people) who have a vested interest in the subject, I imagine it's of interest to biologists since they would probably wonder how it fits in with evolution.
I am a biologist and a liberal, for what it's worth. I am all about investigational science. The politics of sexuality and who should and shouldn't be doing who or what makes me stabby. That's where I am coming from. People just need to STFU about what other people do with their genitals, seriously.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 4, 2016 at 8:31 pm
(February 4, 2016 at 8:11 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (February 4, 2016 at 7:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, I'm a far left liberal and not remotely a biologist, and I couldn't care less what may be the root 'cause' for homosexuality. Which consenting adults fuck each other and why they do it is simply none of my bloody business.
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You must lack curiosity about this subject then.
Got it in one. I simply don't care. For me, wondering how (or if) homosexuality evolved is on a par with pondering why some people have brown eyes or are left handed or prefer Elvis to the Beatles. It doesn't matter to me.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 4, 2016 at 8:44 pm
(February 4, 2016 at 8:19 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I find myself wondering why we're so obsessed with the "why?" as well.
It's probably many things. I'm gay, I can tell you it's not a choice (well, the sex is, but the attraction I mean) and probably just how my brain is wired up. I don't know anything more than that but I can vouch for it not being a choice.
That said, even if it was totally a choice, that still doesn't justify the gay-bashing. Saying "homosexiality is unnatural" is a non-argument. First off it's victimless, and how many things does every person do every day that isn't natural? You wake up with a man-made roof over your head, drive a car to work and eat shitty processed foods. I can't take the "it's unnatural" argument seriously unless it comes from the mouth of someone living naked out in the forest.
I don't believe that it is a choice but I don't find it easy to completely dismiss the idea that it isn't a choice.
I have feelings of empathy and I get a "thrill" or whatever you want to call it from doing something reasonably kind.
But if I had been a child and my emotional development was fucked in some way I might not have empathy, or as much empathy, I might have more anger.
Now I could sit here as either a psychopath or a person with empathy and say, yep I can vouch that I just am this way.
I'm not saying that empathy is the same as sexuality, I'm just putting forward the question of how confidently can we really say what is just fundamentally and biologically our natural behaviour and what caused by some thing outside of that.
And yeh it's a question about whether the answer to this question justifies violence against someone. A choice or not, natural or not, I don't see a justification for violence.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 5, 2016 at 4:22 am
(This post was last modified: February 5, 2016 at 4:23 am by robvalue.)
(February 4, 2016 at 7:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, I'm a far left liberal and not remotely a biologist, and I couldn't care less what may be the root 'cause' for homosexuality. Which consenting adults fuck each other and why they do it is simply none of my bloody business.
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I agree with this, to me it doesn't particularly matter what the cause is, except out of scientific curiosity. Even if homosexuality was a choice, I would have no problem with it. I don't feel that it needs justification.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 5, 2016 at 4:48 am
(February 5, 2016 at 4:22 am)robvalue Wrote: (February 4, 2016 at 7:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, I'm a far left liberal and not remotely a biologist, and I couldn't care less what may be the root 'cause' for homosexuality. Which consenting adults fuck each other and why they do it is simply none of my bloody business.
Boru
I agree with this, to me it doesn't particularly matter what the cause is, except out of scientific curiosity. Even if homosexuality was a choice, I would have no problem with it. I don't feel that it needs justification.
This. I don't care what consenting people of any gender do with their private bits. The "why" is strictly curiosity.
My sexual preferences certainly weren't a choice, why would I think it matters? It's simply not my business.
The OP would probably consider me a far left liberal, whether I do or not.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 5, 2016 at 4:50 am
(This post was last modified: February 5, 2016 at 4:59 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
I don't think curiosity about the subject should be disparaged. If you're not curious about it, why'd you open the thread? And if you are curious about it, why should you take issue with the OP asking?
(February 3, 2016 at 3:51 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Smaller 'tribes' back when Darwin ruled fared better competing against other 'tribes' if they had extra males not obsessing over poontang all the time.
Oh, shut up and get back on patrol, who asked you?
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RE: Homosexuality
February 5, 2016 at 5:42 am
Why people get so heated about who other people fuck is beyond me.
Some guys like sticking their dick's in man anus, some women like drinking from the furry cup, get over it.
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Homosexuality
February 5, 2016 at 5:57 am
(February 3, 2016 at 4:56 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: The more sons a given woman has the higher the incidence of homosexuality in subsequent off spring.
You must have a lot of brothers.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 5, 2016 at 6:51 am
(February 3, 2016 at 4:56 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: The more sons a given woman has the higher the incidence of homosexuality in subsequent off spring.
Seems a weird way for God to mete out a curse, don't it ?
I can never find the study when I look, but I read a paper once that argued that homosexuality may be the by-product of a genetic mutation that made female mammals more fertile. It also argued that male and female homosexuality may have arisen due to different mutations. The deleterious effects are overcome by the positive gains in fertility.
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RE: Homosexuality
February 5, 2016 at 7:53 am
How nice the world would be without religion trying to tell us what is right and wrong.
I'm left handed. Mum used to force me to write with my right when I was a kid because writing with your left is the work of the devil! no shit!
Why is it that the Catholics priests who are over represented in touching up boys are the first to tell us how evil it is to be homosexual.
And these are the people who guide the masses on Sunday... Wake up sheeple...
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