Still struggling.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

If you're an atheist, no one can "deconvert" you; that's just dumb.  After all, what can your mom possibly say to you to convince you that god exists, let alone a particular god that you, by happenstance of birth, just happened to be exposed to?

There is only one GOD. It's the same one in all peaceable faiths. Just different names from different cultures. Same thing- the One Creator GOD.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[popsthebuilder]

Top Ten Most Despicable Predators, Scavengers, and Parasites:

10. Coyote

09. Wild Boar

08. Raven

07. Shark

06. Lamprey Eel

05. Buzzard

04. Rat

03. Martin Shkrelli

02. Child Molester

01. Evangelical Missionary Mercenary who trolls atheist forums in a low-down, dirty, and shamefully predatory attempt to seduce children whose parents are already under the control of his delusion club, so that he will not lose another lifelong opportunity to feed off him. They hear the cries for help from the sensible the way sharks smell blood in the water, and they come running, hungrily salivating, to help themselves and feed on the carnage of struggling young minds. Recent attacks of this low and filthy monster have been observed under names such as Popsthebuilder and Scoobysnack (yeeeuuuuuuwwwwww)!

What?

That doesn't seem to make much sense.

It does if you flip it though as misery loves company.

Tell me what do I gain from helping someone to understand that emotion and thought processes go together and work best together rather than isolated?

What have I devoured by trying to help someone understand that emotions and the conscience are there for a reason?

Why would you not just argue my point instead of calling me a scavenger and predator out for blood.

It's just uncalled for,and shows your true colors is all.

Peace


Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[popsthebuilder]

There is only one GOD. It's the same one in all peaceable faiths. Just different names from different cultures. Same thing- the One Creator GOD.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

That wasn't word salad at all dude.

Someone getting desperate?

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

That wasn't word salad at all dude.

Someone getting desperate?

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Just keep on telling yourself that, and then maybe you might even believe it. Keep on telling yourself...

[popsthebuilder]

That wasn't word salad at all dude.

Someone getting desperate?

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Just keep on telling yourself that, and then maybe you might even believe it. Keep on telling yourself...

Uhm? Keep telling myself what? That whole thing you quoted, Sig and all?

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[robvalue]

Oh no, that is awful Gdog

I agree with the others, your mother is abusing you. She has no grounds to be stopping you getting treatment. I'm absolutely sickened she would treat you this way. I hope you can talk to someone at school and get some help here.

[Socratic Meth Head]

Mom knows im an atheist. As i said my brother used to be an atheist but he went back to Christianity and I dont want to. This doubt is horrible. I dont want to deal with it anymore. This feels different from HOCD in that its not full blown anxiety attacks.

Im tired of doubting, my parents are only gonna make it worse and if i say "Let me believe what I want" they will think trying to convert me is working and that I will convert with more pushes.

Dont wanna explain that i have a religious form of OCD either because then im fucked and she will try to use my doubt and anxiety to convert me.

She also said no more buying books (still have 5 more coming in).

Im gonna be pestered until i can move out

[Socratic Meth Head]

My brother is really pissing me off, 24/7 he is always coming in my room and bothering me, telling me he was an atheist and made the exact arguments I did, and converted people. I honestly don't feel like arguing with anyone and I wish to be left alone but I know as soon as I say that to my parents then they will think I'm weak or vulnerable and try to convert me (My brother is actively making attempts now). I wish they would leave me the fuck alone instead of pestering me 24/7 about god and just get me the mental treatment I need. Seriously dealing with this until I'm 18 is going to be hard to do without loosing my temper. I've considered running away from home in the past but I never felt so strongly about it than now. Sometimes I look at statistics and see most people who are homeless are mentally ill and who are rejected treatment. I sometimes think I am destined to be the same but am just putting it off until there is no choice. I just want treated for and left alone from religious attempts at indoctrination or conversion among me.

Im fucked man, its going to be damn near impossible to keep a rational mind among all this with my family trying to convince me all the time and OCD causing doubt a lot.

[ignoramus]

There's one easy fix matey.
You're obviously pretty clever.

If you think you are up to it, forget the ego bullshit fights.
Go along with everything! You've changed your mind, you're a believer again.

That then takes all the pressure off you, life is back to normal.
They leave you alone again. Now you have all the time in the world to read your books in peace and privacy.

Then when you are ready to leave home, tell them what you really think.
Remember, the joke's on them.... Go through the motions.
Myself and my 2 older sisters happily took mum to church often.
We couldn't give 2 fucks about religion, but it made her happy in her later years...

Do it for your own sanity. It will make you stronger and you'll see them for the immature dicks that they are.
That will reinforce your atheism I believe.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Your brother's being an absolutely dishonest and nasty sort of a shithead. Nobody "converts" religious believers to atheism, and why this is impossible has been pointed out. The next time he starts up with his shit, look him directly in the eye and ask him why he really believes what he says he does. You know he isn't being honest about this, if he ever "converted" to atheism for any reason other than attention-seeking. If he ever had a quarter of the reasoning in his head which you display here, then he still has it now, he just resorted to lying about it so that he could be the bully like your mom, because it's easier than toughing it out on the high road like you are now. You are a far better man than your brother for that, so don't ever let him make you forget it! Take control of every conversation he starts up, and hit him square in the chops with probing questions. When you ask "why" in the context of factual reason, he will reply with reasons in the prescriptive context (i.e. why he sees it as expedient to make that "believer" claim in place of rational observation of the evidence, which he has none of), which is fallaciously tactical. Unpack that shit for him, fallacy by fallacy, which he will flailingly continue to spin desperately until he gets tired and walks away.

If you haven't already studied logical fallacies, it helps a lot to know them all, and by name, so that you will be able to call them out on your feet whenever those arguing for their faith deploy them. Here's one source:

https://rationalskeptic.wordpress.com/th...fallacies/

Did we "convert" you? You found your way to us on your own, at some point after you stopped believing. I don't know about others, but I for one care a lot about not seeing you give in to your brother and your mom because you, like everyone else has the fundamental right to believe what they see as true, and to state that publicly (least of all with their family members) and not have to deal with the hateful sort of harassment which you are getting for it.