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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 1:10 am
Well said, Steel. Think of the timing. I've known what my allergies are since I was 6 or 7 in order to be prepared to tell people in case I ever needed emergency care and my parents weren't around. GD supposedly has an incredibly rare genetic disorder that could risk his life when emergency care is provided and they don't tell him until now, 1-2 years after supposedly learning of this rather large problem? Sorry, but no. That shit don't fly.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 1:38 am
(March 10, 2016 at 12:22 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (March 9, 2016 at 11:12 pm)GeneralDog Wrote: Mom and dad told me I have the gene, they learned from the doctor. My grandmother broke her hip and she needed surgery. That's how they learned.
They learned from a doctor that told them their son has a gene based on the fact that grandmother has a gene? Sorry, GDog, but that's horseshit.
There's a reason why people with hereditary Huntington's disease still have to have the gene marker identified before they are diagnosed. Which means that your parents are either lying to you or vastly misinterpreted what the doctor told them. If grandmother has the gene and neither mom nor dad express the gene, then you have nominally a 1 in 8 chance of just carrying the gene, depending on a lot of factors, but that's the simplest calculation. And just because you carry the gene does not mean that the gene expresses itself.
A quick pubmed search shows that the defective gene (if the same one) causes a condition called malignant hyperthermia, where general anesthesia causes fever and muscle contraction, and 5% of the time it can be fatal. The test for the disease is removing a 2-3" strip of muscle from your thigh.
So, unless you've had a strip of muscle out of your thigh, you don't know if you have this gene. It's hyper rare.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2360775/
Your parents are trying to scare you back into their religion. The use of fear and emotional leveraging rather than evidence is a signal that it's all bullshit.
I think I actually have it, her saying god did it was an afterthought. I got a warning from my dad that if a doctor ever asks if I can take general anesthesia then I must warn him.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 1:42 am
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(March 10, 2016 at 1:38 am)GeneralDog Wrote: I think I actually have it, her saying god did it was an afterthought. I got a warning from my dad that if a doctor ever asks if I can take general anesthesia then I must warn him.
It is certainly possible that you have the gene.
It's an entirely different thing all together to say you have it, if you haven't had an extremely invasive test for it. In fact, it's seriously irresponsible to act as if you do have it, because of the procedures you're not a candidate for because of it. You could die from lack of treatment when you didn't have to. My grandmother on my dad's side had bone cancer. So did my grandfather on my mom's side. That doesn't mean I have bone cancer.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 1:49 am
(March 10, 2016 at 1:42 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 1:38 am)GeneralDog Wrote: I think I actually have it, her saying god did it was an afterthought. I got a warning from my dad that if a doctor ever asks if I can take general anesthesia then I must warn him.
It is certainly possible that you have the gene.
It's an entirely different thing all together to say you have it, if you haven't had an extremely invasive test for it. In fact, it's seriously irresponsible to act as if you do have it, because of the procedures you're not a candidate for because of it. You could die from lack of treatment when you didn't have to. My grandmother on my dad's side had bone cancer. So did my grandfather on my mom's side. That doesn't mean I have bone cancer.
They were saying something about how it is very likely the gene will be passed on, I don't think I will need surgery any time soon though.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 1:58 am
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Again, so it is with dominant autosomal gene transmission. But if your parents aren't active carriers, it is less likely that you are an active carrier.
Huntington's disease is a good example. If one of a person's parents has Huntington's disease, they have a 50% chance of being an active carrier of the disease. If they aren't active carriers, then their kids (you in this instance) would have a 9.625% chance of carrying the disease, assuming the other parent is also not a carrier.
So, if your grandmother had it, and your mother doesn't have it, you are overwhelmingly unlikely to have it. No doctor would ever diagnose anyone with something that has this kind of expression without being sure. So if your parents say a doctor told them that you have this gene, and that doctor has never examined you for it or done the test (again, removing a strip of your hamstring), either they are seeing an extremely unethical doctor, or they have another motive.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 4:19 am
(March 10, 2016 at 1:58 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Again, so it is with dominant autosomal gene transmission. But if your parents aren't active carriers, it is less likely that you are an active carrier.
Huntington's disease is a good example. If one of a person's parents has Huntington's disease, they have a 50% chance of being an active carrier of the disease. If they aren't active carriers, then their kids (you in this instance) would have a 9.625% chance of carrying the disease, assuming the other parent is also not a carrier.
So, if your grandmother had it, and your mother doesn't have it, you are overwhelmingly unlikely to have it. No doctor would ever diagnose anyone with something that has this kind of expression without being sure. So if your parents say a doctor told them that you have this gene, and that doctor has never examined you for it or done the test (again, removing a strip of your hamstring), either they are seeing an extremely unethical doctor, or they have another motive. They told my dad he has it, and my dad said it was likely that i have it. He was informed from the doctor, who found out from my grandmother. Its called Malignant Hyperthermia i think.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 2:08 pm
GD, you may have limited legal autonomy with your minor's status, but when you see your doctor he's in there with you, and will probably answer your questions directly. It doesn't really look like your family can be trusted to do anything other than lie to you for the cause of making you believe other lies, therefore I would rely only on information given directly from your doctors.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 2:41 pm
I agree. Based on what you have told us, I wouldn't trust your parents further than I could throw them.
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RE: Still struggling.
March 10, 2016 at 7:56 pm
By the way, how far can you throw your parents? Might come in handy if the answer is "quite far indeed."
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RE: Still struggling.
March 15, 2016 at 1:00 am
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Why don't you just run away and find out what life is really like? All I read is you hate your family for not allowing you to be who you are. You could be a gay porn star in San Francisco when you grow up! Hell, I'll only charge you $5 rent to live in the dumpster behind my apartment. I don't tend to eat pizza crusts, so you will have plenty to much on, and plus I'll dump my ash tray on your head so you can smoke the butts for free. Win Win, right?
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