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Free will and humans
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 RE: Free will and humans
March 17, 2016 at 1:29 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2016 at 1:30 pm by truth_seeker.)
(March 17, 2016 at 1:09 pm)IATIA Wrote: An isolated case of brain malfunction. If a human being chooses poison instead of food in order to save the love of his life, would you still call it brain malfunction? is altruism a brain malfunction? is love a brain malfunction? unless you're a nihilist. In that case forget that I said anything 
 RE: Free will and humans
March 17, 2016 at 1:52 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2016 at 1:54 pm by IATIA.)
Perhaps, but that is not the point. It is still a choice. Even plants choose. So again, unless we grant that all plants and animals have free will, then choice does not prove free will.
And I am a nihilist.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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March 17, 2016 at 2:11 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2016 at 2:13 pm by truth_seeker.)
(March 17, 2016 at 1:52 pm)IATIA Wrote: Perhaps, but that is not the point. It is still a choice. Even plants choose. So again, unless we grant that all plants and animals have free will, then choice does not prove free will. Ofcourse you can grant plants and animals free will. Its simply an issue of degree and magnitude. Plants have motion, animals have motion, and humans have motion. But the degree and magnitude is drastically different in each successive degree of intelligence. The same goes for free will. RE: Free will and humans
March 17, 2016 at 2:39 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2016 at 2:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The degree and magnitude of choice in any representative will not help to establish free will if choice -itself- cannot. It would be akin to arguing that a certain level of "hotdogness" determined that a thing was blue.
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(March 17, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The degree and magnitude of choice in any representative will not help to establish free will if choice -itself- cannot. It would be akin to arguing that a certain level of "hotdogness" determined that a thing was blue. I did not mention choice. I described degrees of free will.  (March 7, 2016 at 3:43 am)pool the great Wrote: In your opinion do you feel that humans possesses free will? What is your opinion on the matter?You have the freedom to act in accordance with the will that external factors have determined you must have. So, practically, you're free. But you're not the ultimate arbiter of the choices you make. They are made before you are consciously aware of your making them.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
(March 7, 2016 at 3:43 am)pool the great Wrote: In your opinion do you feel that humans possesses free will? What is your opinion on the matter? That is just a trick of the brain. The physiology of the brain runs the body and the awareness you experience is the brain making the decision and you believe it was you, which it was, just without the control you think you have. Basically, your brain 'fools' you into believing that you are in control. And before it is addressed, I know the brain is not intentionally or proactively acting as a subversive agent. It is just difficult to word that you are not you even though you are you.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy |
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