Islam in Europe: perception and reality

[Crossless2.0]

So what are your standards for determining who is a True Muslim®?

Pinprick attacks do not a threat amount to. Hundreds of people die yearly in plane crashes, yet do you campaign against aircraft?

Watch and see who pray 5 times aday, See who forces the women in his life to live under 'cover' See who visits a mosk. Infiltrate the mosque and see what actually being taught. If Sheria Law is taught before the law of the land, then in those dedicated members you have a potential time bomb. If a 'mosque' has any ties to terror groups (like the one obama visited) deport them and their members. Push the see something say something to include hidden mosks. (they fear persecution for studying 'true Islam.')

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/...-ties.html

If a mosque has ties to a terrorist group, deport all of its members? What about citizens who might belong to the mosque -- you know, as in practicing their 1st Amendment rights? You can't deport them, and without smoking-gun evidence that such people (1) are aware of the mosque's alleged ties to terrorists and (2) are guilty of materially supporting such groups or of inciting violence, what can you do without making a mockery of the rule of law?

[Mister Agenda]

<singing softly> I wish I were like you / easily amused ...

What you find funny says a lot more about you than you might realize.  

What I find funny Roflol funny is the opposition making a bold arrogant statement based on a empty unchecked assumption. When you see a Roflol emoji it's because one of you have made a critically false statement of had a serious laps in logical judgement.

Why would that be funny? because again these errors are made in such a way as to suggest that the position taken in error is indeed the superior one, arrogantly so.

you can't tell me if a Christian was making all kinds of demonstratively false claim concerning science and logic this would not be funny to you all.

Arrogance isn't funny in itself, Drich. But your body of work attests to the fact that this is something you wouldn't know.

I would be worried about the mental state of an atheist going overboard with ROFL emojis, particularly vs. something as common and sad as you describe. It comes off as kind of...maniacal.

[Mister Agenda]

Indeed, perhaps google something and you'll occasionally be right -- such as the role of Imams in Sunni Islam as contrasted with the role they play among the Shia. But by all means, keep "speaking for ALL Sunni Muslims" worldwide. I could use the laugh today.

you do know they do not share the same Imams right?

That means 1.4 billion people have their Imams who 'interpret' and allow for Jihad, and the Shia have a different set.
that leaves 8 to 10% belonging to the Shia and twelver, and the rest aren't even worth mentioning.

Again If 1.4 billion all think the same way and that way allows them to wage jihad at the prompting of religious leaders then who cares if the shia take a more passive role or one of the sub sets of shia takes even a more Christ like road. The fact of the matter is 9 out of 10 Muslims think it is ok to wage jihad against you and me and everyone else in the west!

So then WHY invite them in?

Well, 1.4 billion people don't think the same way, so there goes your point. And you made up the bit about 9 out of 10 Muslims thinking it's okay to wage jihad against me and you and everyone else in the West. It's a bald-faced lie, Drich.

Or were you giving us an example of a Christian getting easily checked facts wrong?

[Mister Agenda]

Give me a break you and a bunch of your buddies took all of last week slamming me because you all thought what I said about Black holes and 'god particles' was wrong.

You all give no quarter, so you really should not expect it in return.

That said, If you approach me with respect I go out of my way to explain whatever you are at odds with in detail even if it means weeks of back and fourth without an ill word said.

However, if you approach the topic as if you were the master of it, you'd better be. Or I will 'check' you every chance I get.

It wasn't JUST wrong. It was funny, too. It's not weird to laugh at something that's funny, Drich. Unkind maybe, but not weird. We're not asking for quarter. We're asking you not to weirdly spew out multiple ROFL emojis at things that wouldn't be funny even if they were wrong. I know it's easier than taking the trouble to explain why you think something is wrong, but maybe should think about using a greater variety of emojis more sparingly.

[Mister Agenda]

Like with priests their is a hierarchy with Imams in both the sunni and sheia sects. With the Sunni there are a hand full who have floated to the top and make the big calls for the whole religion. things like say jihad for instance. Once the call has been made by the guys on this list to go against it is akin to hersey. So then if an 'underling' imam speaks out against the Jihad the 'pope-ish' Imams declared is the will of allah then yes thier lives are forfeit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam

Again that is why I said you'll never hear a sunni (even here in the US) condemn the 9-11 attacks or what ISIS is doing and truly mean it. (they will say whatever to appease/avoid persecution) That's because their 'popes' have fully endorsed the Jihad being waged, and they know that for those who have been called it is their religious duty to Go Plus they know that at any moment they too could also be 'called' into Jihad as well.

I like how you use the weasel words 'and truly mean it'. That way, no matter how many Sunnis condemn the 9/11 attacks or what ISIS is doing, they can't pass the Drich test of knowing what they really mean.

[Crossless2.0]

I like how you use the weasel words 'and truly mean it'. That way, no matter how many Sunnis condemn the 9/11 attacks or what ISIS is doing, they can't pass the Drich test of knowing what they really mean.

Perhaps if he A/S/Ks them often enough he can know the truth with regard to each Muslim. Or maybe his invisible friend will be kind enough to step in and enlighten him on a case-by-case basis.

Or perhaps not. But then if he fails to learn the Truth, would it be his fault for not earnestly seeking long enough?

[Mister Agenda]

And if he does not find the answers we know to be correct, we can just send him back and tell him to keep A/S/K-ing until he does.

[Dayron]

Yeah we went after the Nazi's who committed the crimes not the people who bought in to it.

If someone wanted to cherish Mein Kampf in this day and age I don't give a flying fuck. No matter what way you try to twist and turn it, you're trying to prosecute people for ideas as if they are actions. Not only is that unconstitutional, it's immoral, and subconsciously hypocritical. You are pathetic. Look at yourself, cowering in fear over an ideology that you disagree with. How sad that we've reached the state as a country where we suggest deporting people who aren't inherently "like" us. How sad that we've reached a state where we stop seeing people as people but as violent criminals waiting to strike. How sad that as a society we've made a conscious decision to identify people by their religion, before identifying them as humans. How fucking sad that I have to sit here explaining to someone why we shouldn't prosecute every Muslim in our society for terrorist acts they have not and likely will not commit. 

When did we decide to start playing god with the less fortunate?

It's quite obvious that deporting Muslims would arouse scandal. Seriously, instead of deporting them I propose to, first of all, close Western borders for refugees and mere immigrants from Islamic countries, due to a danger related to intensified recent bombings. Also, we should stop allowing Muslims building their temples in Europe. I don't care if you were born here or you're a foreigner.

Showing a solidarity with other countries is not going to reduce terror.
Hugging a Muslim is not going to reduce terror.
Calling people islamophobs, bigots, racists or xenophobs is not going to reduce terror.
Enforcing Muslims to assimilate with others is not going to reduce terror.
The only way to reduce terror is to open your eyes and see that ISLAM is the cause of terror.

[scoobysnack]

Support by Muslims for sharia law by country. Doesn't have all countries, but at least is a reputable source. Considering how many Muslims there are, a certain percentage of around 25% roughly, it's a huge number.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...the-world/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

[scoobysnack]

Yeah we went after the Nazi's who committed the crimes not the people who bought in to it.

If someone wanted to cherish Mein Kampf in this day and age I don't give a flying fuck. No matter what way you try to twist and turn it, you're trying to prosecute people for ideas as if they are actions. Not only is that unconstitutional, it's immoral, and subconsciously hypocritical. You are pathetic. Look at yourself, cowering in fear over an ideology that you disagree with. How sad that we've reached the state as a country where we suggest deporting people who aren't inherently "like" us. How sad that we've reached a state where we stop seeing people as people but as violent criminals waiting to strike. How sad that as a society we've made a conscious decision to identify people by their religion, before identifying them as humans. How fucking sad that I have to sit here explaining to someone why we shouldn't prosecute every Muslim in our society for terrorist acts they have not and likely will not commit. 

When did we decide to start playing god with the less fortunate?

It's quite obvious that deporting Muslims would arouse scandal. Seriously, instead of deporting them I propose to, first of all, close Western borders for refugees and mere immigrants from Islamic countries, due to a danger related to intensified recent bombings. Also, we should stop allowing Muslims building their temples in Europe. I don't care if you were born here or you're a foreigner.

Showing a solidarity with other countries is not going to reduce terror.
Hugging a Muslim is not going to reduce terror.
Calling people islamophobs, bigots, racists or xenophobs is not going to reduce terror.
Enforcing Muslims to assimilate with others is not going to reduce terror.
The only way to reduce terror is to open your eyes and see that ISLAM is the cause of terror.

And here we have a city in Athens that feel they need to use tax payer money to build a mosque to appease Muslims, prevent further radicalization to avoid another terrorist attack. Talk about incentivize bully behavior, or possible Stockholm syndrome with a mix of sudden adult down syndrome.

http://www.infowars.com/athens-officials...attack-us/