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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 16, 2016 at 8:07 pm
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(June 16, 2016 at 8:57 am)Drich Wrote: (June 15, 2016 at 10:24 pm)Godschild Wrote: I rarely get involved with post to others but, I wanted to try and answer this one, I hope no one minds.
We are all (now this is biblical and it seems that's what you're asking) born with a sin nature and we all fall to it, we fall to it because we find pleasure in it physically and mentally, this is part of our inheritance from Adam and God says all men have sinned, except one, Jesus. Our spirit grieves our sin, that is we feel guilty and understand that we've done something wrong. Many people try to relieve this guilt by good works and/or loving others. The mistake with this type of thinking is we haven't made repentance to the One we've actually sinned against first, that being God. That is why Jesus is necessary in our lives, the Father sent Him as a payment for those sins and we are required to accept this work of God to be freed from the burden and punishment due sin. So to answer your question directly, no matter how good we are we are still guilty in sin unless we claim Jesus and his work to relieve us of the judgement sin brings. Until the day we die we will be sinful creatures because we are outside of the will of God, Jesus is our cleanser at the day of our judgement. I understand a lot of people do not like to hear this but, it's the plan of the omniscient God who created all and in His omniscience found this to be the only way of redeeming man.
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I was kinda hoping that I was relay this same thing, but in a more... easy to understand way
You did, I was wanting to put it a bit more to the biblical speech.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 16, 2016 at 8:13 pm
@ Jormungandr, love is always a choice, infatuation to something or someone is a response from our nature as humans.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 16, 2016 at 8:23 pm
Love is a chemical reaction in the brain. Not a choice.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 16, 2016 at 11:31 pm
(June 16, 2016 at 2:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
Quote:You can take that dive, it's possible, but usually, first you should intellectually convince yourself that the Creator is being that is to be loved and valued specially in a way that no one else should be. After that, it's all about pushing and disciplining your heart with continuous wisdom, repentance, and acts of devotion, till it loves God in a way that is thankful and appreciative of both God and the light of God in creation (ie. appreciating the good from people as well). You have to teach to guard against the darkness.
To love God is to let his sword cut you, and that you become his sword. To love God is to submit to him and no longer struggle against his command which is a light that extends to you. It's a struggle only due the effects of dark magic from Satan and his forces on the heart. Where it not for him, I think it would be very improbable a human values anything on par with the Beautiful One who contains all praise
But one day you have to chose, do you want to stick to the false identity created by Satan or are you ready to become light and beauty from God, heighten yourself by the highness of God that Ali use to heighten himself by.
You have to make that choice, and it's spiritual choice. We are constantly in war within ourselves, and will and who we become, there is responsibility in that. That sounds like a lot of imaginary fantasy since there is zero evidence for any God or Satan characters.
I'll bet that those characters come with a complete play set and a detailed rule book. It's a damn shame that it's all make believe.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 17, 2016 at 5:58 am
(June 16, 2016 at 8:23 pm)Losty Wrote: Love is a chemical reaction in the brain. Not a choice.
I think some people again confuse love with obedience and worship, at least as far as tyrants go.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 17, 2016 at 8:23 am
(June 16, 2016 at 8:23 pm)Losty Wrote: Love is a chemical reaction in the brain. Not a choice.
Are they not aspects of love we choose?
Can you love someone and Not die for them?
Do you love your husband the 'same way' you love your kids?
Do you love your friends the same way you love your dog?
Those degrees or aspects of love we share with some and not others is the difference between the choice of agape' that God has asked of us, and the eros or phila that we have no choice but to 'feel.'
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 17, 2016 at 8:26 am
(June 16, 2016 at 9:01 am)Rhythm Wrote: Doesn't matter how many the plan was to save, if it isn't redeeming, does it? I don't care why you think god allows evil.
If he didn't we'd all be in hell.
The problem with most modern people no matter what they believe, first and foremost everyone thinks he is a 'good guy.'
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 17, 2016 at 8:28 am
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(June 17, 2016 at 8:26 am)Drich Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 9:01 am)Rhythm Wrote: Doesn't matter how many the plan was to save, if it isn't redeeming, does it? I don't care why you think god allows evil.
If he didn't we'd all be in hell. I don't see the problem with that, if that's were we belong. Accountability is a thing. I thought we were talking about redemption, seems like were just talking about avoiding punishment.
Quote:The problem with most modern people no matter what they believe, first and foremost everyone thinks he is a 'good guy.'
So? Are you going to tell modern people how they should all feel about themselves, from your lofty perch in the superstitions of the distant past? Have fun.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 17, 2016 at 8:38 am
(June 16, 2016 at 9:21 am)madog Wrote: (June 16, 2016 at 9:15 am)Drich Wrote: again it's not new. The analogy i used can be found throughout the old and new testaments
I searched the bible looking for the infected zombies you keep talking about, I may need to get the Bible according to Drich
take the word zombie out and your still left with sin being compared to a disease through out scripture.
I used the word zombie virus to describe a situations of absolutes, as sin is an absolute. but again take that away and your still left with the disease, and as medicine was everything but a 'science' Most disease meant death, so everyone then would have treated every out break like a zombie virus. In short, God is speaking of absolutes concerning sin you are free to pick and plug in any disease you'd like that you would have to treat as God treats the unrepentant sinner.
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RE: Love the Lord your God with all your heart ?
June 17, 2016 at 8:43 am
(June 16, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Again, I say this not to imply that your belief in God is delusional, but rather to point out that ones such as you and I need to take care in how hard we lean on what seems 'obvious' to us. Especially if others aren't seeing the same thing.
I hear what you are saying with respect to subjective life experiences, including moments of personal transcendence. Do you suppose that some kinds of things, like first principles, are obvious to reason? I'm thinking here of something like the PNC.
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