How Many Has God Killed?

[Darwinian]

If a book could contain some useful truth in it, why would you want to throw it away?

I wouldn't.

Isn't this how you make a decision to reject something that you read, because you know that there is NO love in some parts of it?

No.

Aren't we all just searching to be understood and accepted.

No.

Isn't that why you join a forum in the first place?

No.

Isn't it to find support and acceptance by others who are questioning the same way that you are?

No.

Do you throw away the chance to understand anything if you find a flaw.

No.

If you throw all of the dirt away, you will also toss out the gold that is there. Maybe this love concept will reveal itself to be the most logical thing that you could ever understand.

Pardon?

[RDK]

Are you sure it is God doing the killing that you read about in scriptures. Don't you think that man may have observed things incorrectly when they wrote what they believed to be God doing all of the murders? A God of love would not want to teach His kids how to kill. Our life is a series of deductions that we make about what we observe all around us. Where can we learn the best concepts from unless we observe them being demonstrated right in front of us. I f we can't find anyone from which to learn those best attributes, where do you go next. Searching outside of yourself seems to be the next best option. You go to books, or teachers, maybe family,etc. But when those resources run out, what is next? Sure you risk being fed garbage by asking, but without the asking you will never know the answer. God can communicate to you, but you have to ask. It is just as simple as that! This is not preaching. It is as much of a fact as any other observation you make in your life. Your proof is only an answer away. ASK!

[reverendjeremiah]

RDK...WTF?!?

ROTFL

God can communicate to you, but you have to ask. It is just as simple as that! This is not preaching. It is as much of a fact as any other observation you make in your life. Your proof is only an answer away. ASK!

Thats a lie and you know it. You know I am going to ask a question that should bring results, results that you know I will NOT get, so you will make excuses "god doesnt work that way" -like if a god exists he would need your approval to do anything he damn well pleased.

Here goes my question:

God, if you exist, please cure all cancer in the world. I do not have cancer, nor does anyone I know personally, so this is a selfless request. If you exist, and you are truly loving and kind, then please cure all cancer today.

- Lets wait for a few hours to read the miraculous headlines that will surely be flooding the internet very soon. Everyone on this forum has to become a witness for the glory of Christ Jesus in the making tonight! I am so excited and energized that RDK is right, that god is truly loving and generous. All of those atheists out there be prepared to be in the presence of a glorious miracle that will shake your unbelief to the very core and make you grab your bible with shaking knees and honest repentings in your hearts.

[RDK]

If a person sees or experiences something, do you automatically decide that this is impossible? It is an historic fact that visionaries (scientists, philosophers, inventors, etc.) are often scoffed at before their ideas are accepted. It is often time and reason that will bear out their claims as valid or faulty. If you say that God is not there, possibilities to reason out the subject will cease. You don't get a chance to prove something unless you participate, experiment, ask, search. My experience in the God search has yielded remarkable results that I never would have had if I had not asked. You lose nothing by trying to understand. It is worth the trouble.

[thesummerqueen]

If a person sees or experiences something, do you automatically decide that this is impossible?

I used to experience a person standing at my doorway watching me. I could smell the figure. I could see it.

I was in the grips of a hallucination by sleep paralysis.

The person wasn't real.

Just because you "experience" it doesn't necessarily make it valid.

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PS - I tried understanding all of my life until I hit the age of 24. It was like everyone around me was speaking a language I didn't understand until I met my boyfriend and a guy who grew up in our same city who are atheists. Suddenly someone was speaking my language. Then I realized I understood all too well and had already rejected it as bullshit.

[RDK]

This is a personal search. Did God give me authority to cure the worlds problems. No way. And fortunately, no one else walking this planet can do that either. There is a good reason for the evil to continue as it does, and it is not a complicated answer.

[thesummerqueen]

All right, smarty pants - if it's so simple, what is it?

[Violet]

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Are you sure it is God doing the killing that you read about in scriptures.

If we take them literally... yes. Much of it at any rate.

Don't you think that man may have observed things incorrectly when they wrote what they believed to be God doing all of the murders?

Yes. However, this is inconsistent with the claim that the bible is written by 'God' using people as his mouthpiece. It would mean that the bible is infact not divine (which as I view christianity is fine).

A God of love would not want to teach His kids how to kill.

So a loving father won't teach me how provide myself and others with meat?

Our life is a series of deductions that we make about what we observe all around us.

Our life is an entirely independent device from our personality. Granted that we are dead without our personality... but science doesn't understand the term as I do.

Where can we learn the best concepts from unless we observe them being demonstrated right in front of us.

'Best concepts'? We don't have to have a thing demonstrated before we can do it... else nothing new would ever happen

If we can't find anyone from which to learn those best attributes, where do you go next.

The next best.

Searching outside of yourself seems to be the next best option.

According to? I find myself to be the next best option in a good number of cases

You go to books, or teachers, maybe family,etc. But when those resources run out, what is next?

This world is not limitless to us creatures, it is perhaps possible that there is no next.

Sure you risk being fed garbage by asking, but without the asking you will never know the answer.

You assume there is only one answer... that is the first mistake.

You presume we must be correct to know... that is your second.

You suppose the risk to outweigh the reward... that is the third.

God can communicate to you, but you have to ask. It is just as simple as that!

I've never had to ask anyone before they could communicate with me. Why is this 'God' exempt?

This is not preaching. It is as much of a fact as any other observation you make in your life. Your proof is only an answer away. ASK!

This might be preaching. My observations are often enough deluded or falsely concluded. If this is so much a fact as they: I am inclined to think it too is untrue.

Proof only being an answer away is lackluster... I got tired of 'Wellfare Epix' in World of Warcraft. And proof is overrated to begin with... i am uninterested.

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[RDK]

Unless the thing that you see teaches you something that you didn't understand before, what good is it? Seeing things for seeing sake doesn't mean squat unless it can benfit someone else as much as yourself. If you can't accept the idea of a miracle, don't ever expect to recognize one if you see it. Haven't you ever had a coincidence happen that really should not have happened. You read them in the paper or see them in the news sometimes. Three consecutive holes in one in a single golf game. I've seen this happen twice, as reported by news media. How about the wild ice hockey shot all over the internet last week. The puck flew right through the goalies legs toward the goal and then makes an extreme 45degree swerve right out of the net.
The world is not all wrapped up with nice neat answers about anything, including religion. We have to sift through all kinds of junk to deduce what we believe about anything. If you have only seen the garbage side of religions, then I don't blame any of you for rejecting anything I say. In my history, 57 years, I have seen more garbage than anything else. Since there is so much of it happening, I deduce that it is here to teach us something.

[thesummerqueen]

I think you've just contradicted everything you've already said.

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