Quote from GotQuestions.org

[Excited Penguin]

Look, I'll be honest with you. Does any of us really know for sure that God is real or even that our God is the real one? No! But that's the whole point. It's not about being right, it's more of an emotional experience than anything else, really. Believing in something against all evidence is incredibly liberating. It gives your life purpose and meaning.

How exactly is coming to a conclusion you know isn't supported by the facts liberating?

Ah, that is the question, isn't it?

[Brian37]

WTF!  Is there even such a thing as a moderate religious person? Or are they all cooking on one burner?
It sounds like a competition for how many fallacies can you squeeze in in one sentence!

Seriously, I'm trying to be open minded and see things from their perspective, and this is where google takes me! Fuck me! Straight in the deep end!

So basically, they believe the claim to be true because the evidence that the claim is true is evidenced by the claim! Sounds legit!
Why did God need to use the writing styles of somebody else? Doesn't that make him less than perfect?
Shit, I'm using logic again... Bad Bad boy!

Well one. The bible never actually makes the claim of infallibility. Mat 5 is the bit about not one letter of the law changes until it is all over.. and 2 tim 3 is the passage that says all scripture is God breathed and good for 'religious purposes.'

Here's the reason people tend to have to go along with the doctrine of infallibility: The R/C church.. In short they believe the cannon of scripture was never closed and therefore open for change and reinterpretation. And because the pope is supposedly been handed the power Jesus gave peter he then has the power to add or subtract doctrine at will.

The answer to this is to close the cannon of scripture and say the bible is perfect the way it is/Doctrine of infalliblity. which invalidates any papal decrees or doctrine.

The disclaimer from Got questions is about silencing those who would disagree with a Bible based answer over a pope based answer.

Of course the bible isn't infallible, and that should tell you something.

[ApeNotKillApe]

Look, I'll be honest with you. Does any of us really know for sure that God is real or even that our God is the real one? No! But that's the whole point. It's not about being right, it's more of an emotional experience than anything else, really. Believing in something against all evidence is incredibly liberating. It gives your life purpose and meaning.

How exactly is coming to a conclusion you know isn't supported by the facts liberating?

Deluding yourself into thinking the universe was made with you in mind makes for a good high, I imagine. Better than not thinking that, at least.

[vorlon13]

Section 1: The Bible

We believe the Bible, comprised of the Old and New Testaments, to be the inspired, infallible, and authoritative Word of God (Matthew 5:18; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). In faith we hold the Bible to be inerrant in the original writings, God-breathed, and the complete and final authority for faith and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). While still using the individual writing styles of the human authors, the Holy Spirit perfectly guided them to ensure they wrote precisely what He wanted written, without error or omission (2 Peter 1:21).

WTF!  Is there even such a thing as a moderate religious person? Or are they all cooking on one burner?
It sounds like a competition for how many fallacies can you squeeze in in one sentence!

Seriously, I'm trying to be open minded and see things from their perspective, and this is where google takes me! Fuck me! Straight in the deep end!

So basically, they believe the claim to be true because the evidence that the claim is true is evidenced by the claim! Sounds legit!
Why did God need to use the writing styles of somebody else? Doesn't that make him less than perfect?
Shit, I'm using logic again... Bad Bad boy!

How many 'believers' are even going to get close to meeting any kind of reasonable level of fealty in regards to that statement ??

And if a 'reasonable' level of fealty to that is the standard for being deemed to have sincerely held religious beliefs for purposes of participating in litigation in the nation's courts, I'm thinking this is going to become a very interesting situation.

[Drich]

Well one. The bible never actually makes the claim of infallibility. Mat 5 is the bit about not one letter of the law changes until it is all over.. and 2 tim 3 is the passage that says all scripture is God breathed and good for 'religious purposes.'

Here's the reason people tend to have to go along with the doctrine of infallibility: The R/C church.. In short they believe the cannon of scripture was never closed and therefore open for change and reinterpretation. And because the pope is supposedly been handed the power Jesus gave peter he then has the power to add or subtract doctrine at will.

The answer to this is to close the cannon of scripture and say the bible is perfect the way it is/Doctrine of infalliblity. which invalidates any papal decrees or doctrine.

The disclaimer from Got questions is about silencing those who would disagree with a Bible based answer over a pope based answer.

Of course the bible isn't infallible, and that should tell you something.

are you saying it is supposed to be?

If so where do you get this idea if the bible itself never makes this claim?

[Drich]

Look, I'll be honest with you. Does any of us really know for sure that God is real or even that our God is the real one? No! But that's the whole point. It's not about being right, it's more of an emotional experience than anything else, really. Believing in something against all evidence is incredibly liberating. It gives your life purpose and meaning.

... I have absolutely no doubts in my mind what so ever. Did I yes, do I now? no. Why? God fulfilled the promise He makes in Luke 11.

It's hard to doubt if you are on the right track or not if and when God shows up.

[Drich]

Look, I'll be honest with you. Does any of us really know for sure that God is real or even that our God is the real one? No! But that's the whole point. It's not about being right, it's more of an emotional experience than anything else, really. Believing in something against all evidence is incredibly liberating. It gives your life purpose and meaning.

How exactly is coming to a conclusion you know isn't supported by the facts liberating?

That's the thing, the facts for the individual will indeed be supported, even if others are allowed to poop poo on them.

[Minimalist]

The OP establishes that believers are batshit crazy and dripshit swears to it!

[Drich]

How exactly is coming to a conclusion you know isn't supported by the facts liberating?

Deluding yourself into thinking the universe was made with you in mind makes for a good high, I imagine. Better than not thinking that, at least.

The Universe was made with us in mind to play a small part... which can be said no matter what your theological beliefs are.

[ApeNotKillApe]

Deluding yourself into thinking the universe was made with you in mind makes for a good high, I imagine. Better than not thinking that, at least.

The Universe was made with us in mind to play a small part... which can be said no matter what your theological beliefs are.

It can be said, doesn't mean it's true.