Let's see how many apologetics take the bait

[Rhondazvous]

The ancient Israelites/Hebrews/Jews had to have been the most superstitious twits of all time.

I think today's christians are giving them a pretty good run for their money.

Well, I don't know how any Jew can believe god gives a shit about his so-called chosen people after the Holocaust. Then again, I don't know of one Christian who lost a beat after those people were killed down in South Carolina. But I guess that's where faith comes in.

[Rhondazvous]

 So you're not going to answer my first post to you.

GC

Your first post wasn't really a question as much as it was an explanation and a possibility I've considered with a long list of other possibilities that are just as likely. It's only when/if we can find an objective way to view things and demonstrate them that we can start to narrow it down, and if there is none, then how do you narrow them down? You're right about this much at least:

You have a lot to learn.

But that can be said of all of us.

That's how they do when they have nothing legitimated to say in answer

[Godscreated]

 So you're not going to answer my first post to you.

GC

Your first post wasn't really a question as much as it was an explanation and a possibility I've considered with a long list of other possibilities that are just as likely. It's only when/if we can find an objective way to view things and demonstrate them that we can start to narrow it down, and if there is none, then how do you narrow them down?

There has only been one possibility all along, God's divine will. God's will is objective, outside of it we would be lost to a timeless void, the void people would make of life. God gave Adam and Eve one commandment to obey for eternal life, He has through his Son given all of mankind only one commandment to obey for eternal life. It doesn't get much narrower than this.

You're right about this much at least:

You have a lot to learn.

But that can be said of all of us.

 You're very correct we all have much to learn, I hope you understood I was speaking mainly of the Bible and what is taught through it. I'm learning more all the time from it, when studied with the guidance of the Holy Spirit it is endless in it's given knowledge.

GC

[Godscreated]

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Your first post wasn't really a question as much as it was an explanation and a possibility I've considered with a long list of other possibilities that are just as likely. It's only when/if we can find an objective way to view things and demonstrate them that we can start to narrow it down, and if there is none, then how do you narrow them down? You're right about this much at least:


But that can be said of all of us.

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That's how they do when they have nothing legitimated to say in answer

 I've given more relevance to this and many other treads than you have, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

GC

[Joods]

There has only been one possibility all along, God's divine will. God's will is objective, outside of it we would be lost to a timeless void, the void people would make of life. God gave Adam and Eve one commandment to obey for eternal life, He has through his Son given all of mankind only one commandment to obey for eternal life. It doesn't get much narrower than this.

And your proof of this single possibility? Oh, and the bible doesn't count since it was written by man many many years after the supposed JC died and we have no proof of any original manuscripts. All we have are copies of copies of copies of translations of translations, which doesn't prove anything other than someone other than an imaginary sky daddy wrote a bunch of words down.

You and other theists who believe in what the bible says love to ignore all the parts about genocide, misogyny, rape, torture, slavery etc. Parts, that if the bible had any sort of accuracy at all, shows what a narcissistic piece of shit your magical sky fairy really is. As far as "god's will" I offer you this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70vuRnnPIzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

[chimp3]

The Law didn't exist until Moses, hence why he is called the lawgiver.

In the scripture that you referenced God is speaking to Noah who wasn't under Hebrew law... because it didn't exist.

Moses and Noah are both mythical characters. There is no evidence either of them existed.

There are so many contradictions and acts of deviant cruelty attributed to God in this book that there is nothing left to do but satirize and condemn.

[vorlon13]

The Law didn't exist until Moses, hence why he is called the lawgiver.

In the scripture that you referenced God is speaking to Noah who wasn't under Hebrew law... because it didn't exist.

Moses and Noah are both mythical characters. There is no evidence either of them existed.

There are so many contradictions and acts of deviant cruelty attributed to God in this book that there is nothing left to do but satirize and condemn.

Except for that verse that mentions their emissions being like stallions . . .

Satirize, condemn, and rub one out to

[Pat Mustard]

I would add that Noah was the father of all nations whereas the Hebrews were set apart as a chosen people to serve as an object lesson that foreshadowed the redemption of all mankind through Jesus Christ.

You guys reflexively accept any apparent contradiction that confirms your disbelief. For so-called skeptics you aren't very skeptical when it comes to your own preconceptions.

Aah, Wooters so consistent with the bullshit that you could nearly set your watch to it.

You forget that the book was written by that small tribe of Canaanites, the jews, for that small tribe of Canaanites, the jews. All the laws in it, including the ones they were stupid enough to have contradict each other, were specifically made for the jews to obey, so that the tribe would know who was one of them and who was an enemy.

So the original "law" wasn't for all people, it was for the jews. Therefore you have as your holy book one that manages to tell you that you must both eat and not eat every living thing. How do you square that? Oh yeah, the above bullshit.

[Pat Mustard]

God was speaking to one man (when he was given everything to eat)

Verse God giving rules for religious worship.

So then god wasn't planning on putting anymore people on the earth?
Not to mention neither verse quoted has anything to do with religious worship.
You can't expect anyone to believe that the bible is to be taken literally (because you've done that before), when it now seems you're putting a figurative spin on it.

Favourite tactic of christian apologists, "the bible is the inerrant word of god which is a totally accurate depiction of the world every single word of which cannot be discounted, except for the bits I don't agree with, and the bits which show the bible a contradictory mess of bullshit, those are not true, unless I need them to be so".

Or to put the matter in other words:

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.

[Pat Mustard]

There is an unstated premise that needs explicit stating if there is to be a clear distinction of the difficulty.

Here's what I think it is: All of God's commands in the bible are valid and binding for every person and in every age.

If that premise is true, then "contradictions" like the OP show that the commands of God as recorded in the Bible are unreliable.

If that is the unstated premise, where does it come from? If not, what is the premise?

Why would the perfect being, the omnipotent god, not make laws that were binding on everybody for all time? Why would he create laws that were later superseded and improved upon, thus calling into severe question his perfection (as he had created something imperfect)?