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How to end police shootings in one easy step.
#71
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 19, 2016 at 7:11 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: How many police/civilian interfaces on an average day? How many of those end up with someone being shot?

More than their ought to be.  And THAT is the point.
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#72
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

From an outsider's perspective, I see American law enforcement becoming more and more like this every year:

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#73
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 19, 2016 at 10:48 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again.

From an outsider's perspective, I see American law enforcement becoming more and more like this every year:

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Is it odd that I like you more now that I know you're not an American?

Undecided
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#74
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:
(July 19, 2016 at 10:48 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again.

From an outsider's perspective, I see American law enforcement becoming more and more like this every year:

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Is it odd that I like you more now that I know you're not an American?

Undecided

Australian.

Wink

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#75
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 19, 2016 at 10:07 pm)dom.donald Wrote: Here in NZ during the last couple of weeks there have been two police shootings. One involved an man armed with a large knife, who actually wounded a police officer. Another guy was shot and killed by police while executing a search warrant. Most police aren't armed with guns in NZ - as in the UK, only specially trained units have access to guns. Both fatal shootings were justified, given what I know of the situations.

The difference is, here in NZ, the next day on the news people were talking about whether it should be made harder for police to access guns!

Totally different mind set.

Occasionally, police will have to shoot and kill someone, that's the nature of the job. NZ police have shot and killed eight people...
In the last ten years.

Boru
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#76
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 19, 2016 at 10:48 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again.

From an outsider's perspective, I see American law enforcement becoming more and more like this every year:

I guess that's because they're trained to expect everyone's packing. I certainly don't want to downplay the risk of policing in a country that has nearly as many weapons as it has citizens. But that in itself doesn't justify the number of unarmed black people being killed.
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#77
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
The irony is that everyone -isn't- packing...that the places that you'll find dense concentrations of police officers, urban centers...are also the least likely places to find a preponderance of guns.....excluding those guns you find in the hands of police......
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#78
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use...ed_Kingdom



United Kingdom law allows the use of "reasonable force" to make an arrest or prevent a crime[27][28] or to defend oneself.[29] However, if the force used is fatal, then the European Convention of Human Rights only allows "the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary".[30] Firearms officers may therefore only discharge their weapons "to stop an imminent threat to life".[31]

ACPO policy states that "use" of a firearm includes both pointing it at a person and discharging it (whether accidentally or negligently, or intentionally).[32] As with all use of force in England and Wales, the onus is on the individual officer to justify their actions in court.[33]
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#79
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
At the risk of spouting media chunks, I present the testimony of an ex-DC of ten years standing in one of our capital's rougher boroughs.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#80
RE: How to end police shootings in one easy step.
(July 20, 2016 at 8:07 am)Rhythm Wrote: The irony is that everyone -isn't- packing...that the places that you'll find dense concentrations of police officers, urban centers...are also the least likely places to find a preponderance of guns.....excluding those guns you find in the hands of police......

Not directed at you in particular, but your post got me off on a thought-tangent, so forgive me --

I live out in the sticks in Tejas. I see a few rifle racks (even in this day and age!), and there are a few folks I know who carry. One's a douchebag wannabe Marine who open-carries to make up for his medical refusal at MEPS, another is a CCW who doesn't talk about it at all until he trusts you, and never shows anything. The last one is my mother's common-law husband ... a 70-year-old union liberal Bernie firebreather who'd probably prefer shooting you to talking with you (I mean, he's from Boston).

I do indeed trust the cops I know out here (Scott, Jennifer, Mark, and Rick work the beat here) more than most of these twatwaffles carrying AR-15s into this or that protest. Of course, those four deputies prefer talking to action and between them have, to my knowledge, not shot a person. And the guys carrying the rifles out on protest, they prefer talking too, by most appearances ... but ain't homely enough to admit it.

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