Iran is a weird fucking place...

[Cinjin]

Look I'm not going to sit here and defend the Arab nations as a better culture.

Wait, wasn't that your original position? Why the fuck have we been carrying on if you agree with me?

I've been loosely following this conversation and yeah, I think that was EXACTLY where he started his original position.

[ruhollah]

That was not during the American Revolution. I suggest you read more. Furthermore, Moroccans were also the first to attack U.S. merchant ships. I'm pretty sure they were not protecting U.S. ships so much as abiding by a treaty. I could be wrong, though. I have not researched the Barbary Wars to any great degree. I can assure you, though, this did not happen during the American Revolution. France protected colonial merchants at that time.

Just wiki Morocco it has all the info there.

That is really a partial truth. Did you know that the Vietnamese were slaves for at least decades, possibly centuries (You google it for me. ), before we showed up? There was a reason to fight, people just always choose the wrong one.

As far as this religion is concerned, the ends do not justify the means. There are better ways to put an end to slavery.

Christianity. You know Jews and Christians hated each other for a very long time. What makes you think atheists, as a group (there really is no group, just hypothetically), encourage ethnic cleansing? You have been conversing with me for hours. Do I give you the impression that I would encourage such a thing?

Look up the eugenics movement going on in all the secular nations.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I'll make a new thread on this topic. Paper money and intentional inflation is against this religion.

I don't know much about Iran, but there has never been a country that fully respected human rights, whatever those are.

The nation that invented human rights has always respected and valued it.

[Shell B]

I've been loosely following this conversation and yeah, I think that was EXACTLY where he started his original position.

I thought so. Go figure. I will never get that time back. I'm going to cyber-sue.

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Just wiki Morocco it has all the info there.

Okay, but it still wasn't during the American Revolution and Moroccans were still simply abiding by a treaty after having attacked many merchant ships themselves.

As far as this religion is concerned, the ends do not justify the means. There are better ways to put an end to slavery.

We were talking about civilization, not religion. Regardless, Middle Eastern countries have never, to my knowledge, assisted the U.S. in a war that wasn't a Middle Eastern war.

Christianity. You know Jews and Christians hated each other for a very long time. What makes you think atheists, as a group (there really is no group, just hypothetically), encourage ethnic cleansing? You have been conversing with me for hours. Do I give you the impression that I would encourage such a thing?

Look up the eugenics movement going on in all the secular nations.

Please stop telling me to google things and actually respond to what I am typing here. If you try to tell me another African country where there is genocide is secular, I'm going to give up.

The nation that invented human rights has always respected and valued it.

I see. You or your relatives are from Iran. I understand patriotism, dude. However, I am not going to run around telling people that Americans invented free will or some other innate thing.

[ruhollah]

1. Eugenics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
All the countries listed are the secular nations.

2. This documentary illustrates how the Persians treated their citizens. They even freed the Jewish people from enslavement. It's a shame how many of their descendants today have such an animosity towards the Iranian people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq1WJfw7FXg

[Shell B]

I know what eugenics is. Thank you, though. Well, when you refer to Iranians as Persians, it doesn't help your claim of peacefulness. Anyway, I have to run. I have been on here way too long. Have a good night.

[Minimalist]

I'm starting to think that "Iran" is all right....it is Iranians who are fucked up beyond belief!

[Doubting Thomas]

Are you suggesting that Hitler was a christian? You do know Jesus was a JEW.

If this isn't enough evidence, then read what he actually wrote. He thought that his persecution of Jews was God's work. And a lot of antisemitism among Christians is driven by the idea that the Jews had Jesus killed.

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I'm starting to think that "Iran" is all right....it is Iranians who are fucked up beyond belief!

The problem with Iran is that it's the millions of bad apples who spoil it for the other eleven.

[theVOID]

I know a few Iranian people around my age, they seem to think their youth have hope. They're actually rather enlightened as a society compared to the reputation they get, just oppressed by religious and political sociopaths.

[Minimalist]

It's up to them to deal with that situation, though. No one can do it for them.

[Zenith]

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Close allies of Iran‘s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, have been accused of using supernatural powers to further his policies amid an increasingly bitter power struggle between him and the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Several people said to be close to the president and his chief of staff, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, have been arrested in recent days and charged with being “magicians” and invoking djinns (spirits).

Ayandeh, an Iranian news website, described one of the arrested men, Abbas Ghaffari, as “a man with special skills in metaphysics and connections with the unknown worlds”.

http://www.menwithfoilhats.com/2011/05/i...ack-magic/

And this is in one of the most educated Islamic societies?

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I thought Saudi Arabia is the light of the arabic nations.
Anyway, "education" has perhaps nothing to do with "faith": I've watched a video on youtube, it appears to have been a UK broadcast. It was about UK muslims. The ones with higher education (i.e. university degrees) were more fanatical than the others. So I guess it is wrong to assume "education" (as the teachings that are received in schools) are the same as "reasoning/thinking capability". You may get a very good muslim scientist in schools, but if he's spent all his free time in mosques taught to blindly believe the imam and all the religious leaders, then his school didn't help him much.

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It's up to them to deal with that situation, though. No one can do it for them.

Yeah, and if the people would try to do something about that situation, they would very probably end up being massacred by the government (the country's army, whatever)
I believe that there might be centuries needed for this to end, a time when saying "Islam" and "religion" would sound "hypocrisy" to most.