What motivates theists to come here?

[robvalue]

Thanks for your reply Atlas

As promised I'm not giving my opinions, except where people fail to answer the questions properly.

[Whateverist]

Hmmm.. I would have guessed boredom was the reason. Guess not.

[robvalue]

Well, it was the self-confessed reason in one case. At least partly anyway.

[WinterHold]

TBH Atlas, I don't really see how you have tested your faith at all since you've been here.  You seem to avoid engaging in direct, thoughtful discussions related to your religious beliefs in favor of poetry writing and telling atheists they are going to hell.  In order to "test" your beliefs, you have to be willing to listen to other people, no just preach.  This is my perception, anyway.  Maybe others have had different experiences with you.  But I still think you're a very nice guy, if it's worth anything to you.  ?

The preaching would be met with a strong argument that suppresses it. 
Atheism is doing some quite good job in suppressing religions like (Sunni & Shiite Islam), but the same arguments become pretty much useless against what I have.

Take God. Using Computer Science concepts (mainly programming), I failed to find a single answer that satisfies what I have; 
first: why would discussing that be considered preaching? I'm just directing others to what I see, and here is the only place where somebody would stop me and call me a delusional and fanatic person.

I do believe and that is not lie. I don't put down things that I personally don't believe in; I also don't follow priests and Islamic churches (like the Sunni Wahhabi church); their arguments are quite funny, and atheists just seem to shut their preaching up. So I do also think that I'm reciting stuff which had been covered for hundreds of years.

It's scary, because what if I'm lost? I would be the top in wrestling windmills and fighting ghosts while everybody is living their lives up -even fanatics-. Being a hero for the wrong cause is not that appealing. It sucks.

But I'll stay a believe until proven wrong. If this religion is true, then it shall be tough; God would be real. He would listen to my prayers.


BTW: I don't mix with Sunnies and Shiiettes, because obviously they hate thinking, and consider brain using an "atheistic behavior". It's the dark ages all over again in the Islamic church.

[The Grand Nudger]

Believing in something until it's proven wrong is a recipe for laughs.  Probably should have made sure it was -right- first.........

If you think that the Other Muslims™ arguments are funny, and you can recognize how simply we lowly kafir shut them down..perhaps you should stop using them?

[WinterHold]

Believing in something until it's proven wrong is a recipe for laughs.  Probably should have made sure it was -right- first.........

If you think that the Other Muslims™ arguments are funny, and you can recognize how simply we lowly kafir shut them down..perhaps you should stop using them?

I never viewed you to be "lowly". Being so proud and self righteous negates the concept of judgement day. Everybody is the same until that day.

Who's sure of what is right and what's wrong? the main point that I seek an answer for is this:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/diction...g-bang.htm

Honestly Rhythm, nobody knows a thing about what existed before. Even time wasn't there; it was a singularity and that's all you'll get.

The theories are religious-like. Take this one, for example:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

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The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago. The beginning of real time, would have been a singularity, at which the laws of physics would have broken down. Nevertheless, the way the universe began would have been determined by the laws of physics, if the universe satisfied the no boundary condition. This says that in the imaginary time direction, space-time is finite in extent, but doesn't have any boundary or edge. The predictions of the no boundary proposal seem to agree with observation. The no boundary hypothesis also predicts that the universe will eventually collapse again. However, the contracting phase, will not have the opposite arrow of time, to the expanding phase. So we will keep on getting older, and we won't return to our youth. Because time is not going to go backwards, I think I better stop now. 

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This link though, is where we hit the jackpot 

http://www.universetoday.com/116835/what...-big-bang/

What was going on before the Big Bang? Usually, we tell the story of the Universe by starting at the Big Bang and then talking about what happened after. Similarly and completely opposite to how astronomers view the Universe… by standing in the present and looking backwards. From here, the furthest we can look back is to the cosmic microwave background, which is about 380,000 years after the big bang.

Before that we couldn’t hope to see a thing, the Universe was just too hot and dense to be transparent. 

Exactly. 

So while Sunnies and Shiites argue and debate about "with which foot did the Prophet used to enter the toilet" and with "the sentence of beheading the Kuffar in the battlefield", I prefer to wonder around with this question.

But I also read about my options if I was ever caught by a Jihadi militia.

[Edwardo Piet]

Pizzas come here for the theists. Theists come here for the pizzazz.

[The Grand Nudger]

I never viewed you to be "lowly". Being so proud and self righteous negates the concept of judgement day. Everybody is the same until that day.

Who's sure of what is right and what's wrong? the main point that I seek an answer for is this:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/diction...g-bang.htm

Honestly Rhythm, nobody knows a thing about what existed before. Even time wasn't there; it was a singularity and that's all you'll get.

What existed -before- time.....?  Whats north of the north pole?  How much wood...would a woodchuck chuck?  

The theories are religious-like. Take this one, for example:

They aren't, and you're using yet another of those silly comments commonly foisted, and swiftly shut down. I know that it's important for you, to distance yourself from Them™, just trying to help.

[LadyForCamus]

TBH Atlas, I don't really see how you have tested your faith at all since you've been here.  You seem to avoid engaging in direct, thoughtful discussions related to your religious beliefs in favor of poetry writing and telling atheists they are going to hell.  In order to "test" your beliefs, you have to be willing to listen to other people, no just preach.  This is my perception, anyway.  Maybe others have had different experiences with you.  But I still think you're a very nice guy, if it's worth anything to you.  [emoji846]

The preaching would be met with a strong argument that suppresses it. 
Atheism is doing some quite good job in suppressing religions like (Sunni & Shiite Islam), but the same arguments become pretty much useless against what I have.

Take God. Using Computer Science concepts (mainly programming), I failed to find a single answer that satisfies what I have; 
first: why would discussing that be considered preaching? I'm just directing others to what I see, and here is the only place where somebody would stop me and call me a delusional and fanatic person.

I do believe and that is not lie. I don't put down things that I personally don't believe in; I also don't follow priests and Islamic churches (like the Sunni Wahhabi church); their arguments are quite funny, and atheists just seem to shut their preaching up. So I do also think that I'm reciting stuff which had been covered for hundreds of years.

It's scary, because what if I'm lost? I would be the top in wrestling windmills and fighting ghosts while everybody is living their lives up -even fanatics-. Being a hero for the wrong cause is not that appealing. It sucks.

But I'll stay a believe until proven wrong. If this religion is true, then it shall be tough; God would be real. He would listen to my prayers.


BTW: I don't mix with Sunnies and Shiiettes, because obviously they hate thinking, and consider brain using an "atheistic behavior". It's the dark ages all over again in the Islamic church.

[vorlon13]

Probably wasn't intentional, but some of what I've noted the theists to bring here that doesn't reflect on them probably in any way they would approve of.

Like the total failure to demonstrate any degree of increased veracity or 'specialness' of one christer schism* over another, or even jesusism vs. any other 'big name entry in the god game.

Or the paucity of 'believers' we see that can be bothered to lift a finger to do their professed faith correctly. And those into ecumenism, don't they realize ecumenical beliefs falsifies their faith ??? If someone is satisfied their religious persuasion is the One True Faith, why the hell would they cotton to others that are skeptical of their faith ???



* Mormonism being a special case in it's near unique (LOL, L. Ron Hubbardism springs to mind) degree of inherent self inflicted falsification