Ban the Burkini

[ukatheist]

Meh, let people wear what they want.  I can see why some businesses might require peoples' faces to be showing (banks, convenience stores, etc), but leave that up to the businesses, don't make a blanket law about it.  You can't by law ban someone from wearing a confederate flag t-shirt, a nazi arm patch, or a "Fuck jesus" baseball cap (in America, anyway), so why ban them from wearing something just because it's related to Islam?

Indeed, what we need are more bikinis in Mecca!!!! On a serious note, what the OP forget to mention was, there happened to be a very large fight with between the locals and (according to yahoo, people from the outside) some Magrehbins. The locals took a couple of photos and unfortunately, it exploded into a big massive fight and over 100 police personnel came rushing in. Anyway, it just so happens that the Magrehbins were armed to the teeth and the locals weren't taking it lightly so, they overturned and burnt out the cars belonging to the Magrehbins (this is a general pastime in the 93 area of Ile de France whenever there is a riot, where the yobs target cars of innocent people). Anyway, to cut a long story short, in spite of what France is, the Corsicans are very proud of their heritage, and if there is one thing you don't do as a stranger; that is piss off a Corsican. I say this, because a couple of North Africans called the emergency services saying there was a fire (when there really wasn't) and attacked the fire personnel. The police literally had to cordon and protect the North African quarter because the Corsicans wanted blood. Furthermore, it isn't related to Islam whatsoever.

Actually, no. There was a later incident in corsica which has led to a similar ban there, but the article I posted relates to a ban in Cannes, and predates the Corsica incident and subsequent ban.

[Thumpalumpacus]

France is weird man. I don't think that countries or cities should have dress codes. That's one of my problems with religion, if it has a dress code, it has too much control over your life.

Unfortunately, we all have a dress code to follow, religion or otherwise. It would be strange for me to go to the office dressed in a mankini or a full football kit with football boots to match. You don't wear a Giorgio Armani suit to empty the dustbins and you don't go to a meeting smelling of rotting fish, eggs and meat products.

Is/ought spotted.

[RobertE]

Indeed, what we need are more bikinis in Mecca!!!! On a serious note, what the OP forget to mention was, there happened to be a very large fight with between the locals and (according to yahoo, people from the outside) some Magrehbins. The locals took a couple of photos and unfortunately, it exploded into a big massive fight and over 100 police personnel came rushing in. Anyway, it just so happens that the Magrehbins were armed to the teeth and the locals weren't taking it lightly so, they overturned and burnt out the cars belonging to the Magrehbins (this is a general pastime in the 93 area of Ile de France whenever there is a riot, where the yobs target cars of innocent people). Anyway, to cut a long story short, in spite of what France is, the Corsicans are very proud of their heritage, and if there is one thing you don't do as a stranger; that is piss off a Corsican. I say this, because a couple of North Africans called the emergency services saying there was a fire (when there really wasn't) and attacked the fire personnel. The police literally had to cordon and protect the North African quarter because the Corsicans wanted blood. Furthermore, it isn't related to Islam whatsoever.

Actually, no. There was a later incident in corsica which has led to a similar ban there, but the article I posted relates to a ban in Cannes, and predates the Corsica incident and subsequent ban.

I live in France and subsequently, I am aware of this. It is just the media who tried to cover up the origins as they always do. Fucking religions and their codes and shit.

[Pat Mustard]

France is weird man. I don't think that countries or cities should have dress codes. That's one of my problems with religion, if it has a dress code, it has too much control over your life.

France is a secular nation per its constitution, meaning in the French context that religion should be as invisible as possible in the public sphere. It tends to come down very hard on all kinds of religious expression, including modes of dress.

[The Grand Nudger]

I had to look them up (burkinis).  Looks like something I'd wear to the beach, because I'm not some idiotic tourist racing towards skin cancer or weekend destroying burns. The decision to ban them is mystifying.

[Jesster]

I don't see a point of a ban. The clothing itself is not the problem. It's the culture behind the clothing that actually stinks slightly of rotting dung. Education is a powerful weapon. Let's use that instead. I'd say the same for any other non-violent religious bullshit.

(I am now preparing for the angry rant response that I will give 0 fucks about. Lunch time!)

[Seraphina]

It's fine with me if governments ban Muslim-approved swimwear on public beaches.
Western women who visit Muslim countries are made to cover their female bodies and hair while in public.
When in Rome, do as the Romans.

I also find it odd that you'll see women wearing attire that completely covers their "tempting" female bodies while they're accompanied by men who wear whatever the hell they want.

Nah, I'm good with banning burqa swimsuits.

[Regina]

I think it's silly, purely on the basis that it's no different (in terms of what it covers) to a scuba-diving costume.


It's just the meaning behind it people don't like.

I support niqab and burka bans in public, face coverings. Western culture is a culture that values showing your face and being identifiable. We would look at a group of non-religious young people with suspicious glances if they were walking down the street with hankerchiefs tied around their faces, call it "religious" and suddenly we respect it.

When it comes to the hijab (hair covered but not face) I don't respect a ban. In terms of what it covers, it's no different to me wearing a hood or a hat. I can also buy the idea that there actually are many women who genuinely do choose to wear it, looking at the growing "hijab fashion" movement that's appearing among younger Muslim women.

I think people get too lost in the trivial shit, which is a point Ayaan Hirsi Ali made once that I thought was good. Rather than getting lost in banning "Islamic symbols" thinking that it's a solution to Islamism, we should be focusing more on combating the overall Islamist movement head-on by closing Sharia Courts and religious faith schools (all religions, not just Muslim ones), and promoting counter-narratives for European Muslims.

[Seraphina]

I think it's silly, purely on the basis that it's no different (in terms of what it covers) to a scuba-diving costume.


It's just the meaning behind it people don't like.

I support niqab and burka bans in public, face coverings. Western culture is a culture that values showing your face and being identifiable. We would look at a group of non-religious young people with suspicious glances if they were walking down the street with hankerchiefs tied around their faces, call it "religious" and suddenly we respect it.

When it comes to the hijab (hair covered but not face) I don't respect a ban. In terms of what it covers, it's no different to me wearing a hood or a hat. I can also buy the idea that there actually are many women who genuinely do choose to wear it, looking at the growing "hijab fashion" movement that's appearing among younger Muslim women.

I think people get too lost in the trivial shit, which is a point Ayaan Hirsi Ali made once that I thought was good. Rather than getting lost in banning "Islamic symbols" thinking that it's a solution to Islamism, we should be focusing more on combating the overall Islamist movement head-on by closing Sharia Courts and religious faith schools (all religions, not just Muslim ones), and promoting counter-narratives for European Muslims.

I agree with promoting counter-narratives to European Muslims and for all religions, actually. France bans all conspicuous religious symbols in public schools including turbans, crucifixes, etc, not just Islamic symbols.

A Muslim swimsuit for a female isn't the same as a hoodie. One can be worn by choice by men or women and one gets forced on to women so they can be "modest". Make no mistake, women are forced by their religious supervisors to cover themselves head to toe and are indoctrinated to believe it is their "choice".

One has to wonder about the Muslim men who live in these beach communites - while they have their women make themselves invisible, do you think they avoid being around women on the beach who are dressed in bikinis and swimwear to preserve their righteousness? Hell no, they're big fat hypocrites!

So I say keep the burkini bans and I hope the whole of France makes it law.

[abaris]

It's despicable in both directions. Forcing someone into wearing something they don't want to wear. And forcing them to undress. As it happened at Nice these days. That's not what a liberal or secular society is about. Again, in both directions.