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September 3, 2016 at 2:44 pm (This post was last modified: September 3, 2016 at 2:45 pm by Jesster.)
(September 3, 2016 at 2:24 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 3, 2016 at 11:35 am)Jesster Wrote: Great. Tangents after misinterpreting me and/or not bothering to try understanding. I don't think you could project any more.
...And what if they are not tangents? That would mean you still do not understand or acknoweledge that not only to I recognize your argument I have moved past your points, but you can't.
Quote:I am not identifying myself as a sinner.
Read what I wrote again, I know you can not separate your sin from who you are as a person.
Quote:Christians are. I am just saying that my lifestyle that Christians often label as sinful is not a choice.
Again I know. The sin I have in my life is not a choice. The "Choice" has nothing to do with abstaining from sin!!! Why can't you wrap your head around this?
Are you not reading what I'm actually writing or are you just responding to what you think my argument should be rather than what it is I am actually saying???
Quote:There is nothing wrong with who I am and what I do, so there's nothing to repent for.
That justification... Not the sin but the justification for your sin is the choice I am talking about sport!
Quote: However, Christians will claim that there's something wrong because the voice in their heads tell them there is, yet they won't bother providing any further evidence for why it is actually wrong.
Not true. Evidence is provided, but it is also summarily dismissed. So it is not a matter of lack of evidence it is a matter of lack of desire to identify sin.
Quote:They then tell me that I will burn in hell unless I change my so-called "sinful life" and then claim that they love me. No. They (and you) are creating a problem when there is no actual problem. There's no love
Where have I told you this?
See you are arguing what it is you think I should be saying, not what I have actually said.
(September 3, 2016 at 11:10 am)Drich Wrote: It is not an unforgivable sin.
Quote:And yet you give me a choice between two things you call sin and claim I need to beg for forgiveness no matter which one I choose.
citation please. Where did I say this? Or AGAIN Are you not simply arguing what it is you think my position is rather than what my stated position has always been?
Quote:Yes, you are quite confused about a great many things. I don't think your god owes me anything because I don't believe it exists. You are, however, claiming that there is love and I am saying there's nothing but hypocrisy there.
Where did I say their is love? Or again are you arguing what it is you think my position should be rather than what I have stated?
(September 3, 2016 at 11:10 am)Drich Wrote: Of course it didn't.. That is why it is called a strawman argument. If however you with to actually address the points I brought up found in scripture, you might find your 'that was easy argument' does not apply in any way shape or form.
You Wrote:No, it's not a straw man. I am replying exactly to the Christian approach to me as well as the excuses you personally apply to it. I don't think you know what a straw man argument is.
But again, IS THE CHRISTIAN APPROACH you've been arguing against, what I have been discussing with you?
You 'feel' I been saying:
your sin is a choice
God "loves" you
You will go to Hell if you do not change your actions
That you are like a drug addict.
Would it supprize you if EVERYTHING you think is wrong?
What if I've been saying:
Your sin is NOT a choice
(That you like me are a slave to sin according to scripture)
That God does not love you
(God offers you Agape', not love as you know it)
That you can enter Heaven despite your actions
(Works is not what justifies you before God)
That even if you are to stupid or stubborn to admit to sin being a "thing" No one can argue that the pain a drug addict can bring to a family. And that even if You do have an addict in the family one can learn to still love and separate the actions of the addict from the individual the addiction controls.
(In this sense WE ARE ALL ADDICTS)
No wonder you think I am speaking off topic... You think it is my job to chase after and defend the straw men you have spent a life in hate towards God building, when in fact it is my 'job' to show you that your ideas of 'Christianity' are over inflated and do not represent the values nor the system of forgiveness as outlined in scripture.
How do I know this to be true??? Look at the evidence sport... You are speaking to what you believe Christian values should be, and I have never once even remotely supported what you've outlined my argument to be. You are so far off base your have wrongly assumed that I am speaking off topic...
Here's a thought... Maybe It Is YOU, Who does understand the core principles of what it is you are in full rebellion against.
Quote:Insulting me again with the immoral drug addict comparison? Shove it up your ass, you piece of shit. This is why atheists do not like Christians like you.
I have worked with atheist for almost 10 years... The reason they do not like me (as you are finding out) is because their off the shelf reasoning for disbelief in God gets shot down quickly with me, and to remain in their disbelief, they have to rely on faith to maintain their position of disbelief/Hate. They have to expend the same if not a greater measure of faith required to stay in a state of disbelief than it is required for God to give them all the 'evidence' the need.
Holy shit that went all over the place. Since you are still insulting me, I will just simplify that down to you not actually loving me. That should get it back on topic and away from the spattering of moronic, hypocritical, biblical bullshit. I don't think you are capable of keeping this on topic, though, so I'm not expecting anything useful out of your next reply.
Much like with Roadrunner, I can at least admit that I dislike you. Unlike with Roadrunner, I don't care enough about you to even give you the time of day anymore. You are nothing but a waste of resources. My attention will no longer be one of those wasted resources.
You will now receive nothing but meme responses from me here in the future.
I feel like you're saying that the Holy Spirit has already called to the non-believing members of this forum, in which case we've already committed this Holy Spirit blasphemy.
Well, Hell, what's the point, then?
Why bother explaining anything to folks that are most certainly doomed, in your opinion?
No point in wasting your energy on what you believe to be lost causes.
Because as I pointed out in my first post to you, that this is not a one time offer from the Holy Spirit. This offer is extended to you over the course of your life. It is the denial multiplied over a life time that constitutes blaspheme of the Spirit as again the offer is renewed daily till we die.
Yes, you did mention it was over a lifetime. Sorry about that.
I was on a ridonkulously short break from my Saturday at the salt mines and didn't read it as carefully as I would've liked.
Couldn't even finish my frickin' noodles; rush, rush, rush.
...And what if they are not tangents? That would mean you still do not understand or acknoweledge that not only to I recognize your argument I have moved past your points, but you can't.
Read what I wrote again, I know you can not separate your sin from who you are as a person.
Again I know. The sin I have in my life is not a choice. The "Choice" has nothing to do with abstaining from sin!!! Why can't you wrap your head around this?
Are you not reading what I'm actually writing or are you just responding to what you think my argument should be rather than what it is I am actually saying???
That justification... Not the sin but the justification for your sin is the choice I am talking about sport!
Not true. Evidence is provided, but it is also summarily dismissed. So it is not a matter of lack of evidence it is a matter of lack of desire to identify sin.
Where have I told you this?
See you are arguing what it is you think I should be saying, not what I have actually said.
citation please. Where did I say this? Or AGAIN Are you not simply arguing what it is you think my position is rather than what my stated position has always been?
Where did I say their is love? Or again are you arguing what it is you think my position should be rather than what I have stated?
But again, IS THE CHRISTIAN APPROACH you've been arguing against, what I have been discussing with you?
You 'feel' I been saying:
your sin is a choice
God "loves" you
You will go to Hell if you do not change your actions
That you are like a drug addict.
Would it supprize you if EVERYTHING you think is wrong?
What if I've been saying:
Your sin is NOT a choice
(That you like me are a slave to sin according to scripture)
That God does not love you
(God offers you Agape', not love as you know it)
That you can enter Heaven despite your actions
(Works is not what justifies you before God)
That even if you are to stupid or stubborn to admit to sin being a "thing" No one can argue that the pain a drug addict can bring to a family. And that even if You do have an addict in the family one can learn to still love and separate the actions of the addict from the individual the addiction controls.
(In this sense WE ARE ALL ADDICTS)
No wonder you think I am speaking off topic... You think it is my job to chase after and defend the straw men you have spent a life in hate towards God building, when in fact it is my 'job' to show you that your ideas of 'Christianity' are over inflated and do not represent the values nor the system of forgiveness as outlined in scripture.
How do I know this to be true??? Look at the evidence sport... You are speaking to what you believe Christian values should be, and I have never once even remotely supported what you've outlined my argument to be. You are so far off base your have wrongly assumed that I am speaking off topic...
Here's a thought... Maybe It Is YOU, Who does understand the core principles of what it is you are in full rebellion against.
I have worked with atheist for almost 10 years... The reason they do not like me (as you are finding out) is because their off the shelf reasoning for disbelief in God gets shot down quickly with me, and to remain in their disbelief, they have to rely on faith to maintain their position of disbelief/Hate. They have to expend the same if not a greater measure of faith required to stay in a state of disbelief than it is required for God to give them all the 'evidence' the need.
Holy shit that went all over the place. Since you are still insulting me, I will just simplify that down to you not actually loving me. That should get it back on topic and away from the spattering of moronic, hypocritical, biblical bullshit. I don't think you are capable of keeping this on topic, though, so I'm not expecting anything useful out of your next reply.
....Kinda how you've been skim reading (if you were reading at all) what I've said all along?
So to answer your charge..
What makes you think I'm supposed to "love" you as you expect to be loved? What makes you think God is supposed to "love" you that way? Or is that simply more tripe you think the christian position centers around?
As I've said from the beginning, You are not reading what I write. You are simply arguing a series of straw men of your own construction. If you truly hate God, then would it not be better for you to actually argue What God claims and decrees in scripture and not a pop religion based straw man?
Understand, God does not nor has ever offered to love any of us in the way we demand. God offer Agape' (here is where you ask a question.)
(September 3, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Jesster Wrote: Holy shit that went all over the place. Since you are still insulting me, I will just simplify that down to you not actually loving me. That should get it back on topic and away from the spattering of moronic, hypocritical, biblical bullshit. I don't think you are capable of keeping this on topic, though, so I'm not expecting anything useful out of your next reply.
....Kinda how you've been skim reading (if you were reading at all) what I've said all along?
So to answer your charge..
What makes you think I'm supposed to "love" you as you expect to be loved? What makes you think God is supposed to "love" you that way? Or is that simply more tripe you think the christian position centers around?
As I've said from the beginning, You are not reading what I write. You are simply arguing a series of straw men of your own construction. If you truly hate God, then would it not be better for you to actually argue What God claims and decrees in scripture and not a pop religion based straw man?
Understand, God does not nor has ever offered to love any of us in the way we demand. God offer Agape' (here is where you ask a question.)
Yeah, I didn't even read any of that. You've already proven yourself to be an asshat who doesn't love others. Enjoy your next meme response.
(September 3, 2016 at 2:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Because as I pointed out in my first post to you, that this is not a one time offer from the Holy Spirit. This offer is extended to you over the course of your life. It is the denial multiplied over a life time that constitutes blaspheme of the Spirit as again the offer is renewed daily till we die.
Yes, you did mention it was over a lifetime. Sorry about that.
I was on a ridonkulously short break from my Saturday at the salt mines and didn't read it as carefully as I would've liked.
Couldn't even finish my frickin' noodles; rush, rush, rush.
are those like ramen noodles? My grandmother (who spoke no english) called them New-do's We HATED New-do's. We called them Old-doo (old poop) I don't think she ever got the joke.
She would start with the Ramen beef, and then put a table spoon of Korean ketchup (Gochijang) in them which would set "both holes on fire" (one now and one about 8 hours from now) Or she would put Cheong-guk-jang (or stinky bean paste) in it which litterally looks and smells like mashed up dog poo (hence Old doo's) Basically it is mashed up and firmented soybeans, left out in the sun in jars to bake for weeks. Looks and smells bad tastes so good! (which is why when they say smell is like 90% of taste I know its a lie.) This stuff tastes nothing like it smells. But it makes you smell like it smells.
....Kinda how you've been skim reading (if you were reading at all) what I've said all along?
So to answer your charge..
What makes you think I'm supposed to "love" you as you expect to be loved? What makes you think God is supposed to "love" you that way? Or is that simply more tripe you think the christian position centers around?
As I've said from the beginning, You are not reading what I write. You are simply arguing a series of straw men of your own construction. If you truly hate God, then would it not be better for you to actually argue What God claims and decrees in scripture and not a pop religion based straw man?
Understand, God does not nor has ever offered to love any of us in the way we demand. God offer Agape' (here is where you ask a question.)
Yeah, I didn't even read any of that. You've already proven yourself to be an asshat who doesn't love others. Enjoy your next meme response.
(September 4, 2016 at 1:54 pm)Jesster Wrote: Yeah, I didn't even read any of that. You've already proven yourself to be an asshat who doesn't love others. Enjoy your next meme response.
then why post?
To troll you lol. This is how much I value you at this point.
It's so interesting to me that often Christians lack the compassion to show what is true love. The idea of 'hate the sin, love the sinner' is one great example of that. They believe that they can sit and silently judge someone as a sinner, while still having love for them. This isn't love at all, of course. But they don't get that. Because their book has such a warped idea of what love is, that they have a warped idea of what love is. They wouldn't know what love was if it bit them in the ass.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
(September 4, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Cecelia Wrote: It's so interesting to me that often Christians lack the compassion to show what is true love. The idea of 'hate the sin, love the sinner' is one great example of that. They believe that they can sit and silently judge someone as a sinner, while still having love for them. This isn't love at all, of course. But they don't get that. Because their book has such a warped idea of what love is, that they have a warped idea of what love is. They wouldn't know what love was if it bit them in the ass.
Exactly. This is why I made my comparison between Christianity and abusive relationships. You may try to label it as love, but it's really just control and fear in the end.
(September 4, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Cecelia Wrote: It's so interesting to me that often Christians lack the compassion to show what is true love. The idea of 'hate the sin, love the sinner' is one great example of that. They believe that they can sit and silently judge someone as a sinner, while still having love for them. This isn't love at all, of course. But they don't get that. Because their book has such a warped idea of what love is, that they have a warped idea of what love is. They wouldn't know what love was if it bit them in the ass.
Because sin is an abstract uniquely christian concept, and you can not POSSIBLY Love someone who sins against you (if sin were a thing...)
Which is why I liken loving a sinner hating a sin to loving a family member who was an addict.
As it is possible to love a child or spouse addicted to a drug, and HATE the Pain they bring into your life as an addict.
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