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hate the sin, love the sinner
RE: hate the sin, love the sinner
(September 5, 2016 at 10:17 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(September 2, 2016 at 5:17 pm)Jesster Wrote: Ah. So it has come to one-line non-answers. No need to add anything useful. I will take this as you conceding in the argument until you say otherwise.

It was a quick answer, because I was trying not to change subjects.  The problem for materialist and many atheists, is in providing a foundation for their moral view.  Even in moral pragmatism, one can very easily reason, to killing a group of people.  It is going to be determined by your moral purpose and goal.  When asking "why"; to a moral relativist, it very often comes back, to because "I said so".    

So we are left with who is saying so!  Who decides the purpose and function that the morals are based on?  I think that God, as creator has that right.  Now in the case of sexual immortality, I do believe that it is harmful; and that it changes our views into something ugly and unhealthy.  I know that I regret my sins in this area.

Then if you are trying to be on topic, this is still off-topic. We aren't talking about the morality of atheists here. We're talking about why Christians think they can claim to love others while not acting like it. You think that God can make the rules, but that just makes him a dictator. God doesn't explain these rules and Christians still follow them anyway. This is why I deny your love for people you label "sinners".

Now please explain to me how these sins, including "sexual immorality", are harmful without saying "because God said so". Changes our views into something ugly and unhealthy? How so?
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: hate the sin, love the sinner
(September 5, 2016 at 10:52 am)Jesster Wrote: You think that God can make the rules, but that just makes him a dictator. God doesn't explain these rules and Christians still follow them anyway. This is why I deny your love for people you label "sinners".
And of course the idea of moral absolutes doesn't work either. It goes from "I said so" (or so it is claimed) to "God said so".
We could ask, "Is it moral for a parent to kill their child for talking back to them?". Hopefully you will say "No", but of course it was according to Jehovah. If you respond with, "Well, we're not under that law anymore.", you are missing the point. It doesn't matter if that law has been repealed, it matters that Jehovah himself made it a law at one point, and then changed his mind.
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