Science without Religion is lame

[Faith No More]

As far as 85% of the World or maybe 90% that think there is God. Are you saying they are a product of human weakness?

Yes, absolutely. Humans strive for a purpose and rather than find it for themselves, they take the easy road out and invent a magical man in the sky

Dose that ensure the 3% of the world who are Atheist are the strongest in this World?

Strongest? No. Less delusional? Yes.

Do you think the saying, I am no better or worst than the next man, comes in mind?

I am no better than anyone who doesn't push their religious beliefs onto others, regardless of what those beliefs are. When people try to force their beliefs on others, I can safely say I am the better person.

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There are many unknowns, lacking any sufficent evidence to provide a proper explanation or account, indeed as far as we know we may never be able to answer these questions.

That means God did it.

[Castle]

Einstein quote the most incomprehensible thing about Universe is the Universe is comprehensible.
Is open ended for learning and understanding purpose. I don’t think he meant it to be blatantly a black and white conclusion

I once heard Richard Dawkins say he was deeply religious like Einstein is. Without the personal or supernatural God. Yet Einstein did believe in God. When the consensus of world's population claims it’s 90% spiritual, are they being illrational and if they are , are you much better and well rounded than all of the other 90%?

Curious: how do you define spiritual?

[Gawdzilla]

And anything you don't understand how works is magic. So until you understand how something works, even if that understanding is 'false': technology is magic.

Wrong. You if you can't understand how something works you may think it's magic. Your cell phone, for example. Technology is based on quantifiable, measurable and testable rules. Magic is just an thing we thought up for things we couldn't understand. It's the lazy way to think about the world.

[Faith No More]

Einstein quote the most incomprehensible thing about Universe is the Universe is comprehensible.
Is open ended for learning and understanding purpose. I don’t think he meant it to be blatantly a black and white conclusion

I once heard Richard Dawkins say he was deeply religious like Einstein is. Without the personal or supernatural God. Yet Einstein did believe in God. When the consensus of world's population claims it’s 90% spiritual, are they being illrational and if they are , are you much better and well rounded than all of the other 90%?

Curious: how do you define spiritual?

I define spiritual in somewhat of the Native American sense, which is being in touch with the intangible like your emotions and your psyche. Therefore, someone does not need religion to be spiritual and being religious does not necessarily entail being spiritual. Most people define spiritual as somehow being synonymous with religion, so when most people say they are spiritual, they mean religious. As for the religious person themselves I can't comment on their rationality as I don't know them, but their beliefs definitely appear irrational to me. If being more well rounded means not basing my life on mythical fairy tales, then yes, I am.

[Castle]

Yes, absolutely. Humans strive for a purpose and rather than find it for themselves, they take the easy road out and invent a magical man in the sky
Castle: When I look through my historical records I see very few great men who are atheists, why?


Castle Wrote: Dose that ensures the 3% of the world who are Atheist are the strongest in this World?
Strongest? No. Less delusional? Yes.
Castle: All you’re saying is more or less or no better no worse


Castle Wrote: Do you think the saying; I am no better or worse than the next man, comes in mind?
I am no better than anyone who doesn't push their religious beliefs onto others, regardless of what those beliefs are. When people try to force their beliefs on others, I can safely say I am the better person.
Castle:
Einstein nor I , would push Religion on you , although we both think there is some form of God out there, Are we both any less a person than you?

[eric209]

First of all argument from majority is a fallacy. A one point over 90% of the world thought it was flat. Did that make it true? The masses are free to ignorance as are you.

[Castle]

Curious: how do you define spiritual?

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I define spiritual in somewhat of the Native American sense, which is being in touch with the intangible like your emotions and your psyche. Therefore, someone does not need religion to be spiritual and being religious does not necessarily entail being spiritual. Most people define spiritual as somehow being synonymous with religion, so when most people say they are spiritual, they mean religious. As for the religious person themselves I can't comment on their rationality as I don't know them, but their beliefs definitely appear irrational to me. If being more well rounded means not basing my life on mythical fairy tales, then yes, I am.

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I too enjoy studying Native American culture, as they speak much about the sprit amoug the truth warriors as my famliy tree is part native. Much of Religion is ancient spirituality and I do not find very few that impress me and make much sense for living for today. Being an artist, I find mystical metaphors and fairy tale make sense and give great enjoyment. Books Like Cat and the Hat or Wizard of Oz has more healthy meaning to me rather than the Bible. Snnoreeee zzzzzz

There are 1000s of good books out there too

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First of all argument from majority is a fallacy. A one point over 90% of the world thought it was flat. Did that make it true? The masses are free to ignorance as are you.

No proof of that

Calling people ignorance right off the bat, is that a healthy attitude for your personal growth or for our society growth?

[Faith No More]

Yes, absolutely. Humans strive for a purpose and rather than find it for themselves, they take the easy road out and invent a magical man in the sky
Castle: When I look through my historical records I see very few great men who are atheists, why?

Because you're blind.

Castle Wrote: Dose that ensures the 3% of the world who are Atheist are the strongest in this World?
Strongest? No. Less delusional? Yes.
Castle: All you’re saying is more or less or no better no worse

Correct.

Castle Wrote: Do you think the saying; I am no better or worse than the next man, comes in mind?
I am no better than anyone who doesn't push their religious beliefs onto others, regardless of what those beliefs are. When people try to force their beliefs on others, I can safely say I am the better person.
Castle:
Einstein nor I , would push Religion on you , although we both think there is some form of God out there, Are we both any less a person than you?

I suggest rereading exactly what I wrote and you'll find the answer.

[Castle]

Yes, absolutely. Humans strive for a purpose and rather than find it for themselves, they take the easy road out and invent a magical man in the sky
Castle: When I look through my historical records I see very few great men who are atheists, why?

Because you're blind.

Because I've worked a many of museum displays, I know who there are
OK give me your (and another) short list of great atheists, so I can check them out

Castle Wrote: Dose that ensures the 3% of the world who are Atheist are the strongest in this World?
Strongest? No. Less delusional? Yes.
Castle: All you’re saying is more or less or no better no worse

Correct.

Castle Wrote: Do you think the saying; I am no better or worse than the next man, comes in mind?
I am no better than anyone who doesn't push their religious beliefs onto others, regardless of what those beliefs are. When people try to force their beliefs on others, I can safely say I am the better person.
Castle:
Einstein nor I , would push Religion on you , although we both think there is some form of God out there, Are we both any less a person than you?

I suggest rereading exactly what I wrote and you'll find the answer.

Oh! Thou shall push Religion on to thou

[eric209]

First of all argument from majority is a fallacy. A one point over 90% of the world thought it was flat. Did that make it true? The masses are free to ignorance as are you.

No proof of that

Calling people ignorance right off the bat, is that a healthy attitude for your personal growth or for our society growth?

First of all using a logical fallacy as your argument i think falls within the purview of ignorance.

In logic, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges: "If many believe so, it is so."

I am not here to discuss personal growth or emotions. You cannot appeal to emotion to make something true. That is a different fallacy.

Appeal to emotion is a potential fallacy which uses the psychological and encompasses several logical fallacies, including:
Appeal to consequences
Appeal to fear
Appeal to flattery
Appeal to pity
Appeal to ridicule
Appeal to spite
Wishful thinking

Speaking of proof you claim 3% of the world is athiest. What is the margin of error for that statement? Can you cite a study please.

I will not accept your special pleading or any logical fallacies if you wish to convince me. I am open to be convinced though nobody has gotten anywhere close in many years.