The Problem Has Now Been Defined

[ReptilianPeon]

The election result is retribution for the Democratic Party rigging the primary. All along there were people warning not to underestimate Donald Trump. But people refused to listen.

Also, the superdelegates didn't do their job and give the Democratic Party the more electable candidate. if the superdelegates don't do what they are supposed to then what is the point of them? Donald and Hilary are literally the two most disliked presidential candidates in history.

And no amount of a Clinton apologetics or propaganda from entities such as The Daily Beast (where Chelsea Clinton is a board member), Vox, the Washington Post or anybody else will change that. Polls were also showing Bernie was the most liked Senator in the US but the superdelegates did not listen because they were blinded by their Hilary fetish..

[GrandizerII]

The election result is retribution for the Democratic Party rigging the primary. All along there were people warning not to underestimate Donald Trump. But people refused to listen.

Also, the superdelegates didn't do their job and give the Democratic Party the more electable candidate. if the superdelegates don't do what they are supposed to then what is the point of them? Donald and Hilary are literally the two most disliked presidential candidates in history.

And no amount of a Clinton apologetics or propaganda from entities such as The Daily Beast (where Chelsea Clinton is a board member), Vox, the Washington Post or anybody else will change that. Polls were also showing Bernie was the most liked Senator in the US but the superdelegates did not listen because they were blinded by their Hilary fetish..

Rigged is a strong word. It was more psychological influence thanks to a strong bias on the part of the DNC and the media that swayed people's votes for Hillary in the primaries.

EDIT: Actually, nevermind. Rigged may be the right word after all.

[ReptilianPeon]

Yep, Wikileaks got several DNC members to leave the DNC. If they weren't guilty of rigging, why would they stop being on the DNC? The Democratic Party tried to distract people by blaming the Russians.

[account_inactive]

Actually, nevermind. Rigged may be the right word after all.

You're damn right it is.

[Bob Kelso]

No, the problem was a complacent and utterly arrogant DNC practically forcing through an underwhelming candidate that could not inspire people to *get* off their arses and vote.

Bullshit.  Hillary won the nomination and Bernie lost.  And it wasn't all that close.  That chart shows a republicunt ceiling.  Drumpf did worse than McCain AND Romney but it was the fucking democrats being whiny little bitches who put Drumpf in the White House.

Well, fuck 'em.  They can enjoy Drumpf sticking his dick up their asses for the next 4 years secure in the knowledge that they have no one to blame but themselves.

Min, I can't imagine that you'd be so stuck up Hilldog's ass that you can't read the play after it's over. Millions felt snubbed over the DNC's push for Hillary -and yes that happened- millions more "couldn't be bothered" to vote for her because they either thought she had it in the bag due to the false media fanfare or the simple fact that she's an unlikable, untrustworthy robot who was programmed by a grandmother trying to get in touch with her grandchildren's culture. 

[Faith No More]

Actually, considering Hillary easily won with people under 44, I think we can squarely lay the blame on you old fuckers.

But seriously, the Democrats laughed and pointed at the Republicans after '08 when the Repubs couldn't figure out why they lost, and then the Dems laughed and pointed in '12 when the same thing happened.  Now, going by the OP, it seems the Dems are determined to be the party without a clue.

[Iroscato]

I think we can squarely lay the blame on you old fuckers.

See that? That's how divisions are started and propagated. As with most major issues in the world - stop looking sideways, and start looking up.

[Faith No More]

See that? That's how divisions are started and propagated. As with most major issues in the world - stop looking sideways, and start looking up.

It was a joke. I assumed that was obvious considering I followed it up with "but seriously."

I was trying to point out that if Min. insists on placing blame on someone other than Hillary and the Dems, we could easily place it back on him.

[Tonus]

Do you reckon Trump will run again in 2020?

That's a good question.  I don't think it's possible to read him this early, but I would not be shocked if he declined a second term.  I think that for most of his life, when he "won" at something he would just go back to his day-to-day routine but the President doesn't get that luxury.  And the President is under constant and intense scrutiny every day and with every decision and every word and every action.  I don't think Trump has the temperament to deal with that, and I expect that the press --and more importantly, foreign leaders-- will be unrelenting in its attempts to provoke him.  Can he deal with tough questions delivered ruthlessly (or stupid questions delivered aggressively) day in and day out?  Can he avoid reading the papers when he commits a gaffe and the opinion pages are burning with condemnation?  The GOP's biggest effort may be to try to turn him into the opposite of what attracted so many voters to him in the first place.

If he can make the transition from a blurt-whatever-comes-to-mind brute to a savvy politician and the economy is doing well in 2019-20, he may find himself enjoying the job enough to want to finish it.  But unless the economy booms in the next twenty-four months then he is likely to face what most first-term Presidents do, which is a bruising two-year initiation by fire followed by Democrat gains in 2018 and increasing hostility from congress.  Would a second-half uptick in the nation's fortunes be enough to wash the sour taste from his mouth?  Hard to say without first seeing how he handles those first two years.

[vorlon13]

Do you suppose with Trump getting nearly a million fewer white votes than Romney, and double the Black and Latino vote to boot there will be less . . .


nah.