I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[Expired]

Aww not this shit again.

[chimp3]

Babies come from mama's and papa's. Very good , mariosep! You are learning rudimentary biology which is a good place to start. Keep it up and you will be quoting from "Origin of Species" before you know it.

[Edward John]

·        God is the best explanation of the beginning of the universe.

·        God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.

·        God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties in the world.

·        God is the best explanation of the historical facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and God can be personally known and experienced.

·        Something can't from Nothing. How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happen? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.

·        Eternal Universe? That doesn’t work because the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy and if you doubt this, look in the mirror (you’re aging and running down just like everything else). 

·        Life can't from Non-Life. There is no evidence whatsoever.

·        Order can't come from chaos. Something exploded and we’ll all here.

·        Immaterial(thoughts) can't come from physical matter.

·        Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn’t exist?

·        If God exists in our mind only and is the greatest possible being and object which no greater being and object can be thought of then God by definition is greater than our minds, Therefore God must exist. The ontological argument shows that if God even possibly exists then God actually exists. Which means God is existence itself.


I know you've seen all this a number of times now, but are you interested today? Do you agree that an open-minded person should be willing to look at all the evidence? If so, then are you willing to look at the evidence for God’s existence? “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). But why does God wants us to have faith? I can testify and God is my witness, if you do not have faith, rock solid faith, you are not likely to spiritually survive the coming demonic onslaught to planet earth in these end times.

Lets say God appeared to you in his glory, It's still down to your faith because, you have the option to believe that it was God or was just a hallucination. If it was a miracle, you have the free will to believe it was by chance or was of God or faked etc. Here is the key that so many miss today. In order to obey God's commands you must believe what God is telling you.  Doubt in God's word is always the devils target therefore his target when he attacks you is your faith. 

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18  

“I'll obey you when it's convenient for me...”, kind of belief isn't going to save anyone's soul. Rather, its just the grease that slides millions of nominal 'Unbelievers' into hellfire.



God is looking for people who will trust him, obey him and most importantly

love him. Trust and faith are key components of love and he is looking for us to

demonstrate these traits to the Lord.

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MysticKnight Wrote:

• One of the greatest proofs is that our real true selves requires an absolute perception to exist.
  
• And one of the greatest proofs is by stages of praise and excellence, we know there is an absolute being who heightens and who is who the praise ascends to.
  
• And one of the greatest proofs is that no possible hypothetical Creator in any possible world can create morality out of nothing and without already existing, meaning neither can evolution, as evolution and everything it makes can be created by a Creator. This shows it's eternal.
  
• And one of the greatest proofs is that the good word ascends to him and hence proves his existence.
  
• And one of the greatest proofs is that our innermost secret is unknown by us but forms an essential part our existence  and requires absolute perception and judgement.
  
• And one of the greatest proofs is our compare anaylsis to everyone must be based on truth but it's not, which points to a true judgement that maintains who and others are, rather then our bad judgement.
  
• And one the greatest proofs is that value to exist must get it's existence from absolute value and absolute value must be it's basis.
  
• And one of the greatest proofs is applying the Euthyphro dilemma to evolution.
  
• And one of the greatest proofs is our how we are blessed or cursed, and how blessed rain descends from the higher heavens in the case of blessings, and we are watered with one water though we are different trees in ourselves.
  

And I will leave it at that.

Therefore God exists.

[brewer]

Dear atheist colleagues here, thanks a lot for your presence and contribution.

Forgive me, please don't get annoyed with me, because I see in you all, that you seem to be into throwing cu** and sh** and fu** with impunity.

So, instead of waiting for you to accept my invitation, I will choose one of you, someone always present, like Astreja?

What about you Astreja, care to exchange thoughts with me on causation of babies; you can take over from Simon Moon, and continue with his tack that molecules caused his coming to existence and life, not his papa and mama.

Are you the one who told me that you are also a mama, or was it Mathilda?

Anyway, you know what? I have found causation to be the most crucially decisive factor for the resolution of the issue, God exists or not, but in favor of God existing.

You see, no matter how atheist thinkers want to dissolve causation into nothing, it cannot go away, like for example there is no end to babies coming forth from the causation by their papas and mamas.

What do you say, will you take over from Simon Moon?

I love all women because they are the mothers of mankind, they take care of mankind when mankind are babies, they care for mankind when mankind is sick, they mourn for mankind when mankind passes over to the other side of the grave i.e. go under the earth surface, giving mankind a decent burial.

That is why I love women all of them; I have women in my home and family, my wife and daughters are women, my mother also, and then the women coming to my life by their marriage to one or another of my extended family members.

Oh shit Astreja. Think Mario is fantasizing about the "causation of babies"? 

You have my deepest sympathies.

[I_am_not_mafia]

God is the best explanation of the beginning of the universe.

It explains nothing.

God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.

It explains nothing.

God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties in the world.

Objective morals and duties do not exist.

God is the best explanation of the historical facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and God can be personally known and experienced.

There are no historical facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth.

Something can't from Nothing. How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happen? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.

Argument from personal ignorance. Just because you don't know doesn't mean to say that science hasn't figured this out and that the only explanation is. Not least that your understanding of cosmology is woeful yet here you are dismissing it out of hand. First who says there was nothing before the Big Bang? There was energy. Secondly planet formation did not happen during the Big Bang. Planetary formation is a well understood process. Try googling it sometime.

Eternal Universe? That doesn’t work because the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy and if you doubt this, look in the mirror (you’re aging and running down just like everything else). 

Energy is eternal. Free energy, that is energy that can do work, is not eternal.

Life can't from Non-Life. There is no evidence whatsoever.

Yes it can. Plenty of evidence for abiogenesis and workable theories too that are still being developed. But first you need to define what life is and is not before you can make such a claim.

Plants are alive yet they do not feed off living matter. They convert sunlight, minerals, water and carbon dioxide into a living plant.

Order can't come from chaos. Something exploded and we’ll all here.

Yes it can. Learn about non-equilibrium thermodynamics and

Immaterial(thoughts) can't come from physical matter.

Wrong. A complex pattern of energy can only persist through the use of matter.

Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn’t exist?

If God exists in our mind only and is the greatest possible being and object which no greater being and object can be thought of then God by definition is greater than our minds, Therefore God must exist. The ontological argument shows that if God even possibly exists then God actually exists. Which means God is existence itself.

I know you've seen all this a number of times now, but are you interested today? Do you agree that an open-minded person should be willing to look at all the evidence? If so, then are you willing to look at the evidence for God’s existence?

Lets say God appeared to you in his

God is looking for people who will trust him, obey him and most importantly

Define what a god is.

[Asmodee]

Babies! Because God! Win!!!

[Astreja]

Edward, immaterial thoughts *do* come from matter. Ever heard of the brain?

[Edward John]

God is the best explanation of the beginning of the universe.

It explains nothing.

God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.

It explains nothing.

God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties in the world.

Objective morals and duties do not exist.

God is the best explanation of the historical facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and God can be personally known and experienced.

There are no historical facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth.

Something can't from Nothing. How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happen? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.

Argument from personal ignorance. Just because you don't know doesn't mean to say that science hasn't figured this out and that the only explanation is. Not least that your understanding of cosmology is woeful yet here you are dismissing it out of hand. First who says there was nothing before the Big Bang? There was energy. Secondly planet formation did not happen during the Big Bang. Planetary formation is a well understood process. Try googling it sometime.

Eternal Universe? That doesn’t work because the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy and if you doubt this, look in the mirror (you’re aging and running down just like everything else). 

Energy is eternal. Free energy, that is energy that can do work, is not eternal.

Life can't from Non-Life. There is no evidence whatsoever.

Yes it can. Plenty of evidence for abiogenesis and workable theories too that are still being developed. But first you need to define what life is and is not before you can make such a claim.

Plants are alive yet they do not feed off living matter. They convert sunlight, minerals, water and carbon dioxide into a living plant.

Order can't come from chaos. Something exploded and we’ll all here.

Yes it can. Learn about non-equilibrium thermodynamics and

Immaterial(thoughts) can't come from physical matter.

Wrong. A complex pattern of energy can only persist through the use of matter.

Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn’t exist?

If God exists in our mind only and is the greatest possible being and object which no greater being and object can be thought of then God by definition is greater than our minds, Therefore God must exist. The ontological argument shows that if God even possibly exists then God actually exists. Which means God is existence itself.

I know you've seen all this a number of times now, but are you interested today? Do you agree that an open-minded person should be willing to look at all the evidence? If so, then are you willing to look at the evidence for God’s existence?

Lets say God appeared to you in his

God is looking for people who will trust him, obey him and most importantly

Define what a god is.

Define what a god is? SERIOUSLY!

Better is a subjective term.  You aren't saying anything.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Define what a god is.

Define what a god is? SERIOUSLY!

Yes. Seriously. Define what a god is.

Where did it come from? What's it made out of? How does it function? What are its origins? What environment does it inhabit? What does it feed off? How does it sense and act? What can it do? How? What can't it do? How not?

[downbeatplumb]

·        God is the best explanation of the beginning of the universe.

God explains nothing, you may as well have said it was magic. An explanation involves explaining things not stating that that's the reason and there is no reason to look further.

·        God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.

The universe is not fine tuned for intelligent life.

·        God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties in the world.

Morals are subjective.

·        God is the best explanation of the historical facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and God can be personally known and experienced.

You must be fucking kidding right! there is no evidence that a jesus ever existed and certainly none that a magic man performed amazing feats.

·        Something can't from Nothing. How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happen? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.

Things can come from nothing but there is always the possibility that there was something prior to the big bang quantum foam or something. Svience isn't finished yet.

·        Eternal Universe? That doesn’t work because the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy and if you doubt this, look in the mirror (you’re aging and running down just like everything else). 

Have you heard of the heat death of the  universe. The steaar phase of the universe is a very short part of the universal life story. So much for fine tuning for life.

·        Life can't from Non-Life. There is no evidence whatsoever.

I has done at least once. AI also turned some chemicals into life earlier by eating them.

·        Order can't come from chaos. Something exploded and we’ll all here.

Yes it can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2vgICfQawE