I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[Tonus]

Wait, a Christian is dismissing an argument because it might have been gotten from a book?

[Asmodee]

"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."

Do you anyone atheist here concur with me on that statement?

If not, what is your alternative?

And please, I will not take this standard answer from atheists, “We don’t know.”

First, that statement, like much of what you say, has no meaning.  I think you mean "default state", not "default status", but even with that change that statement just makes no sense.  What is "the totality of reality"?  Do you mean "physical reality" only?  Do we include my thoughts in the "totality of reality"?  If so, when you say those thoughts "exist" do you mean they exist as thoughts or do you mean the subject of those thoughts exist?  For instance, if I think of a dragon and we say "the default state is existence", does that mean my thoughts on the dragon exists or the dragon itself?  It SOUNDS like you are trying to assert that "real things are real" which, while accurate, is kind of a stupid thing to feel one has to assert.

Second, I don't have to give an alternative.  The universe is not black and white.  We cannot accurately label or define anything and everything just because we would very much like to.  If you tell me that you saw a dragon and I don't believe you I do not have to give you alternatives for what you actually might have seen for it to not have been a dragon.  Not being there I likely don't know what it is you saw, but I can STILL be pretty certain it was not a dragon, even without giving an "alternative" for what it might have been.  And, in fact, it has been my experience that the reason for asking for an "alternative" explanation is just so that you have something to argue against to distract the conversation away from the holes in one's own argument.

Third, "I don't know" IS ALWAYS a valid answer.  Anyone pretending to have an answer for everything is too ignorant to understand what they don't know.  To say that you will not take, "We don't know" as an answer is to say that we must make something up if we don't know.  That is a ridiculous request.  If I don't know something I'm not going to simply make something up and call it true.  That's what theists do.

[Mariosep]

Welcome back, Mariosep [Warning Level: 0%]. You last visited: Yesterday, 04:46.

I am certain, that welcome is from the founders, owners, and operators of this Atheistforums.org.


Thank you! Dear founders and owners and operators of this forum, Atheistforums.org, even though your fellow atheists here hurl raving mad foul language at me, attack my person instead of my ideas, and also to top it all, spew the most blasphemous hate words against God, in my information on concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
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You see, dear atheist colleagues here, your heart and mind are filled with hate and more hate, and filth. See ANNEX below.


Now, I am into what I call constructive to reality thinking, you are into what I call obstructive to reality thinking.

Think about this insight from yours truly:

“The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence.”

Here is an example of reality, babies from their papa’s and mama’s procreation as their babies’ cause.

Please give an example of reality, dear atheist colleagues here, and no more raving mad foul language at me, attacks on my person instead of my ideas, and also no more blasphemous hate speech against God, in my information on the concept of, namely, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


ANNEX

#922 Just in case this was a euphemism for "I propositioned Stimbo for sex" I want to point out that it's "he," not "she."

#926 Huh. Turns out he was propositioning you, Stim. Maybe he's a seminary student?

#929 Humorless automaton detected. I repeat...humorless automaton detected.

#931 You're not debating. You're just mentally masturbating all over this thread.

#932 I have a feeling you're not into penis.

#933 I have a feeling you're not into penis. [Repeated by quoting.]

#934 If you don't like the language we use perhaps you should consider shitting somewhere else.

#935 Why is it the side effects never include penile enlargement or super powers?

#936 You're just mentally masturbating all over this thread. [Repeated by quoting]

#936 In short, he's a dishonest slimeball not interested in anything remotely resembling "intellectual".

[Simon Moon]

Here is an example of reality, babies from their papa’s and mama’s procreation as their babies’ cause.

You are correct.

We all agree on this point, as been stated many times by several people here.


What is your point?!

[Cyberman]

even though your fellow atheists here hurl raving mad foul language at me,

[. . .]

#932 I have a feeling you're not into penis.

I'll have you know there's nothing foul about my penis.

[Mariosep]

Thanks a lot for your presence, dear readers of this thread from yours truly.


My purpose in this thread is to get comments from atheists here on my proof for the existence of God.

I started with the information of my concept of God, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, then going to the reality of existence outside our mind to encounter all instances of causation, thereby meeting the evidence of causation which evidence establishes the objective existence of God, corresponding to the concept of God, namely, first and foremost God is the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning: that is the whole process of proof from concept of God to object of the existence of God: in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and in objective existence causing and operating continuously the universe and man and everything with a beginning - see below in ANNEX 1.

Now, I am using the insight that the default status of things in the totality of reality is existence, and upon explaining and coming to our contact with existence being the default status of things in the totality of reality. we come to the realization that existence is of two kinds, the what we could call in core essence the transient existence, and the what we could call the essential existence.

Babies are example of transient existence, and also everything in the universe examined by scientists is transient existence, transient because - and of course including the universe itself - they have a beginning, and they are in transition through succession of changes unto in the last event, to non-existence when the essential existence stops its causation and operation of the transient existence.

So, the conclusion is that the essential existence corresponds to the entity in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, which I call God.

For my exposition of the insight that the default status of things in the totality of reality is existence, see ANNEX 2.


So, atheists, do you have any point or you are pointless?


ANNEX 1

Mariosep  
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I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
24th October 2016, 17:27
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This is my proof for God existing.

1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

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3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.

5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

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6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?

ANNEX 2

Mariosep
#930
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
22nd November 2016, 10:57
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Now, dear readers here, I like to bring to your thinking this statement from myself, of course it is not any insight that others have not come to, except that I have put it in my own peculiar formulation, here as follows below; and I have repeated it several times in this thread because it is a good platform for the determination of God exists or not.

"The default status of the totality of reality is existence."

Now, how do we get to know existence?

We get to know existence from experience, this is the avenue by which we come to know also our each one's individual self-existence by our experience of consciousness, which consciousness itself is a habitual experience when we are in a state of consciousness.

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Now, when we get together and experience each other's existence, then we get to know the existence of others like ourselves, existing in, by, through, from, and with our each one's experience of for example the physical presence of each one by himself and of everyone's else physical presence.

Then we all get to know the existence of things outside of ourselves humans, by again experiencing them, like seeing and touching the trees, etc., and seeing the sun in the daytime sky, and the moon in the night sky.

All these experiences of existence are a part of the default status of the totality of reality which is existence.

How does that lead us to come to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

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Well, dear readers here, as you are and I appreciate that very much, always reading this thread, I propose that you think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, that will lead you to see that all our experiences of existence are the evidence of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

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#937
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
Yesterday, 04:46
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Now, dear atheist posters here, when you have come to your senses, after having decided to abstain from raving mad foul language, personal attacks against your debate opponents, and also no more flippant but empty daring insults on God, like calling God bad names, for example 'bastard rat', let us do some genuine thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, on what I again brought up just in my immediately preceding post, namely, my insight:

"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."

Do you anyone atheist here concur with me on that statement?

If not, what is your alternative?

And please, I will not take this standard answer from atheists, “We don’t know.”

Because the thing speaks for itself, namely, if you even with the default status of things in the totality of reality, you cannot finger out what it is for you; then you have no place in a forum whatsoever – unless of course you are here to only throw out raving mad foul language, hurling personal attacks on your debate opponents, and spewing out insults against God.

And ending up with slapping on each other's shoulder, reciprocal kudos.


#943
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
4 hours ago
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Now, I am into what I call constructive to reality thinking, you are into what I call obstructive to reality thinking.

Think about this insight from yours truly:

“The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence.”

Here is an example of reality, babies from their papa’s and mama’s procreation as their babies’ cause.

Please give an example of reality, dear atheist colleagues here, and no more raving mad foul language at me, attacks on my person instead of my ideas, and also no more blasphemous hate speech against God, in my information on the concept of, namely, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

[Silver]

God is pointless considering that the only thing any theist has ever had is faith.

There is zero proof for the existence of god, and that will remain to be true until real evidence can be provided for the existence of a being that, by all logical standards, exists purely in the minds of believers who cannot reason properly.

[Primordial Bisque]

Thanks a lot for your presence, dear readers of this thread from yours truly.

My purpose in this thread is to get comments from atheists here on my proof for the existence of God.

I started with the information of my concept of God, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, then going to the reality of existence outside our mind to encounter all instances of causation, thereby meeting the evidence of causation which evidence establishes the objective existence of God, corresponding to the concept of God, namely, first and foremost God is the creator and operator of the universe and everything with a beginning: that is the whole process of proof from concept of God to object of the existence of God: in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and in objective existence causing and operating continuously the universe and man and everything with a beginning - see below in ANNEX 1.

That made me dizzy.

Now, I am using the insight that the default status of things in the totality of reality is existence, and upon explaining and coming to our contact with existence being the default status of things in the totality of reality. we come to the realization that existence is of two kinds, the what we could call in core essence the transient existence, and the what we could call the essential existence.

Babies are example of transient existence, and also everything in the universe examined by scientists is transient existence, transient because - and of course including the universe itself - they have a beginning, and they are in transition through succession of changes unto in the last event, to non-existence when the essential existence stops its causation and operation of the transient existence.

What happens to this 'essential existence' once it stops? You say it will stop it's causation at 'non-existence', so does it also cease to exist? Why is it stopping in the first place? Does it run out of energy? Why did it even start? How did it start?

So, the conclusion is that the essential existence corresponds to the entity in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, which I call God.

What's this 'essential existance' made of? Where is it? Does it have any natural properties? Does it have emotions? Is it even sentient? Why is it your god, and not someone else's? Why call it 'god' at all, when you can name it anything....like the Big Bang, for example?

For my exposition of the insight that the default status of things in the totality of reality is existence, see ANNEX 2.

So, atheists, do you have any point or you are pointless?

You project an awful lot about the effects of your god, but tell us very little about what it is. Do you even know; or is the word 'god' just a dressing?

[Minimalist]

No, no clear acceptance of my challenge by Stimbo, for us two to exchange thoughts on God exists or not.

You have a lot of trouble with simple English, don't you.



They say its worth a thousand words.

[Jackalope]

What did I just step in?