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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 4:48 pm
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(December 25, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Astreja Wrote: (December 25, 2016 at 12:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Guys, it's really simple.
You decide to love more then yourself rationally, you would see you must love all good living beings.
Not possible and not desirable. Love is an emotion, not a logical thought process, and attempting to love everyone both trivializes love and turns it into an obligation rather than a gift.
Furthermore, the word "must" is a red flag. I think it's insufferably rude to attempt to dictate what someone else's emotional landscape should be; in fact, I view such a demand as abusive and not loving at all.
Quote: At this point you don't know whether God exists or not, but your love of all living beings would want him to exist...
No. You don't get to decide what I want, either.
Quote:I have offered many of these proofs.
Not "proof"; not even evidence, IMO. Just a religion-inspired hypothesis at this point.
Neither you or I decide what we must do. God reveals his judgment and we must submit to the eternal way that is the light of time mixed with eternity.
However, the fact is, the guidance and judgment is with us inwardly deep within our souls, and the Messengers come to manifest his name, while Prophets who are not Messenger reveal revelations that increase in guidance that compliment the reminder that manifested God's Name and his right.
The Guidance is not for us to choose from our whim, it's not for us to claim this is the righteous path nor pick a tree and call it a guide and leader....rather we must submit to those who God has chosen.
You are right it's not me for me to decide, which means, it's not for you to decide either. It's not the case we all have the right to make goodness and define as it we go in life to whatever we want of our whims...
All this proves a Master who is the source of light (ie. God, the Master and light of all light), and also a means to God who contains his light brought down.
Jesus was such a Master, he was anointed and chosen by God, a true King, who's light extend to all human and Jinn (demons, good and bad).
This is not unclear if you would just leave slogans of denial and begin to hold on to what you know are essential foundations of who you are.
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 5:06 pm
And here I was thinking that I, had mental problems.
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 5:17 pm
That's a lot of blahblahblah for such a vapid premise.
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 5:37 pm
(December 25, 2016 at 4:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is not unclear if you would just leave slogans of denial and begin to hold on to what you know are essential foundations of who you are.
This is a variation on the "I'll see it when I believe it" theme.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 5:40 pm
(December 25, 2016 at 4:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Neither you or I decide what we must do. God reveals his judgment and we must submit to the eternal way that is the light of time mixed with eternity.
I see no reason to accept the alleged authority of your unproven and probably imaginary deity. If it feels otherwise, it can get off its butt and come talk to Me in person about what it wants. No human prophets. No scriptures. No personal experiences from believers.
Quote:However, the fact is, the guidance and judgment is with us inwardly deep within our souls...
No evidence for souls.
Quote:The Guidance is not for us to choose from our whim, it's not for us to claim this is the righteous path nor pick a tree and call it a guide and leader....rather we must submit to those who God has chosen.
If "submission" is our only option, there is no humanity and there is no morality -- Just puppets dragged around on strings at the behest of a celestial puppetmaster. Not interested.
Quote:All this proves a Master who is the source of light...
It proves no such thing. Master or not, Jesus and all other so-called "prophets" are now quite thoroughly dead and any "light" they may have once possessed has been extinguished by the grave. (And no, I don't believe in eternal life.)
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 6:03 pm
We ought to get Mystic Knight and Little Rik to argue religion. Then we wouldn't have to read either of them.
I don't know about the rest of you but I find them both tedious and totally un-understandable. Of course whenever I read anything smacking of trying to convert any of us it turns me off; I don't understand why anyone deigns to engage with them. Face it nothing said here is going to make them see the light, so to speak.
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 6:54 pm
(December 25, 2016 at 5:40 pm)Astreja Wrote: If "submission" is our only option, there is no humanity and there is no morality -- Just puppets dragged around on strings at the behest of a celestial puppetmaster. Not interested.
So what are you submitting to? Yourself? But what do you decide yourself to be on what criteria? Criteria you choose in a vacuum or is just going to go with the flow of society? Without God, there is only chaos. Each "I" trying to impose itself on others where might becomes right. The way out of the chaos is through his light of order and balance.
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 8:33 pm
Guys I am not arguing with circular reasoning.
You very well know there must be a path and we learn through being shown.
You know without a path and guidance upon it, there are only misguided ways.
There is nothing unclear in that.
You very well know there is a path, but wish to deny it's source and where it leads to, and the one to guide us through it.
You say you want to be talked to. Suppose you were talked to, this would personal guidance. Where would dialogue with others be upon what is personally revealed to you? A book revealed to all humanity is better, because, we can come and discuss it together. Unite on it. Understand by it. Refer to it. Get a universal language of metaphors and parables that helps us see a certain way.
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 8:45 pm
(December 25, 2016 at 8:33 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Guys I am not arguing with circular reasoning.
Or any reasoning at all. You're just making statements. You seem to be preaching at us. I don't understand what your aim is in making these topics and posts.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: It's a simple choice:
December 25, 2016 at 8:47 pm
(December 25, 2016 at 8:33 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You say you want to be talked to.
There is a difference between talking TO someone and talking AT someone. You have yet to master this difference, hence why your words are little more than white noise.
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