It's a simple choice:

[Thumpalumpacus]

There are a bunch of unsupported views in your posts, and quite simply I find them very unconvincing.

[Astreja]

So what are you submitting to? Yourself?

I don't have to "submit" at all, you know.  I merely have to act thoughtfully in whatever way I think best, on a case-by-case basis.  

  Without God, there is only chaos.

Not where I live.  There seems to be much more order than chaos here, and the population is not overwhelmingly religious.  Furthermore, I have no belief whatsoever in your god, yet I live an extremely orderly and productive and happy life.

The way out of the chaos is through his light of order and balance.

So why is Dar al Islam such a fucking mess, then?  You've had, what, 1400 years to get your collective act in order, and despite having well over a billion devout followers of your god you're still fighting among yourselves.  I really don't think you have what it takes to fix the world, not while you're still collectively obsessed with "submission" and micro-managing people's lives.  Maybe you should try letting people make their own decisions -- You know, treating them like adults?

[rexbeccarox]

Guys I am not arguing with circular reasoning.

Like everything else: because you say it doesn't make it so.

You very well know there must be a path and we learn through being shown.

No I don't.

You know without a path and guidance upon it, there are only misguided ways.

No I don't.

There is nothing unclear in that.

Actually, there's nothing clear in that.

You very well know there is a path, but wish to deny it's source and where it leads to, and the one to guide us through it.

There's nothing clear in that either, whatever it was you were trying to say.

... and please stop telling me what I "know". It's condescending, rude, and horribly ignorant.

You say you want to be talked to. Suppose you were talked to, this would personal guidance. Where would dialogue with others be upon what is personally revealed to you? A book revealed to all humanity is better, because, we can come and discuss it together. Unite on it. Understand by it. Refer to it. Get a universal language of metaphors and parables that helps us see a certain way.

Which book would that be? Your Quran? The Bible? The Catechism? The Book of Mormon? Bhagavad Gita? The Iliad? The Tanakh?

[Jesster]

Which book would that be? Your Quran? The Bible? The Catechism? The Book of Mormon? Bhagavad Gita? The Iliad? The Tanakh?

How about the Twilight trilogy? It's about as useful.

[Astreja]

Which book would that be? Your Quran? The Bible? The Catechism? The Book of Mormon? Bhagavad Gita? The Iliad? The Tanakh?

How about the Twilight trilogy? It's about as useful.

How about Dragonlance?  Comes with its very own pantheon of 21 gods, plus a couple of expansion packs.  

But no, I think we should go with The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.  It's got The Answer, although the actual Question is a little iffy.

[Esquilax]

You very well know there must be a path and we learn through being shown.
You know without a path and guidance upon it, there are only misguided ways.
There is nothing unclear in that.
You very well know there is a path, but wish to deny it's source and where it leads to, and the one to guide us through it.

Must you?

Must you do this same, intellectually bankrupt bullshit, that every other religious quack does when people don't immediately buy what they're selling? Must you disrespect not only us, not only yourself, but the position you're trying to advance, by not defending it honestly and relegating yourself to simply shoving words into our mouths so you can feel all secure in being right? We know, do we?

Oh, how very convenient for you.

When you actually want to defend your position, instead of just pretending that everyone secretly agrees with it, look us up. Until then, why should any of us lower ourselves into the muck with you?

[ignoramus]

MK. Sorry man.
All religious people have faith because they don't have proof. No proof is needed for one to believe.

God brings some people peace and purpose. They die fulfilled. That's the main thing right.
God doesn't have to be really real, unless you want to live forever with virgins or something in heaven... (Then I've got bad news for you)

Take care...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It's a simple simplistic choice:

Fixed it for you.

Boru

[Pat Mustard]

Neither you or I decide what we must do. God reveals his judgment and we must submit to the eternal way that is the light of time mixed with eternity.

I see no reason to accept the alleged authority of your unproven and probably imaginary deity.  If it feels otherwise, it can get off its butt and come talk to Me in person about what it wants. No human prophets.  No scriptures.  No personal experiences from believers.

However, the fact is, the guidance and judgment is with us inwardly deep within our souls...

No evidence for souls.

The Guidance is not for us to choose from our whim, it's not for us to claim this is the righteous path nor pick a tree and call it a guide and leader....rather we must submit to those who God has chosen.

If "submission" is our only option, there is no humanity and there is no morality -- Just puppets dragged around on strings at the behest of a celestial puppetmaster.  Not interested.

All this proves a Master who is the source of light...

It proves no such thing.  Master or not, Jesus and all other so-called "prophets" are now quite thoroughly dead and any "light" they may have once possessed has been extinguished by the grave.  (And no, I don't believe in eternal life.)

There is no probability that allah exists. He is simply yhwh with a false beard and bad hair dye. And as such he exhibits the same characteristics as yhwh which make him impossible both logically and physically.
A god cannot both be omnipotent and onmisicient.
An omniscient god cannot exist with frre will.
An omnipotent god cannot exist with a seperate being responsible for evil.
An omnipotent god cannot have an enemy he cannot or will not defeat.
An omnibenevolent god cannot permit evil.
And so on...

Remember it is only universal negatives which are unprovables, not specific ones.

[Thumpalumpacus]

It's a simple simplistic simpleton's choice:

Fixed it for you.

Boru

Further edited for clarity.