When faced with the choice between appealing to semantics to rescue an argument and changing one's mind about the matter, the latter is the advisable course, in almost every case I can imagine.
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SteelCurtain Wrote:The whole point of this, which you seem intent on obfuscating, is that the definition of penetration in the Texas penal code is completely relevant to this conversation and cannot be dismissed by you. Texas don't even mention the word rape in their penal code, so I'm not sure how anyone can be convicted of rape, people will generally be convicted for sexual assault. The links you have posted mostly define rape as forced penetration. I'm not going to look into all of the 50 state's specific laws word by word, the general definition is forced penetration, which a woman can't do unless she's using a foreign object which would then not qualify as rape. RE: Hilarious! Trump having problems finding artists.
December 27, 2016 at 11:46 pm
(This post was last modified: December 27, 2016 at 11:48 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
The prosecution may not be filing the charge as "rape" due to the verbiage of the law, but the act of rape is most certainly prosecuted here in Texas.
I have to assume you're being willfully obtuse. There's no way you can be so unintelligent as to not see the point made. Again, when your only defense is semantics, you're probably fighting for an indefensible premise. (December 27, 2016 at 11:34 pm)pool the great Wrote:SteelCurtain Wrote:The whole point of this, which you seem intent on obfuscating, is that the definition of penetration in the Texas penal code is completely relevant to this conversation and cannot be dismissed by you. Yep, now you're just trolling. Great job at having an adult conversation.
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December 28, 2016 at 12:56 am
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(December 27, 2016 at 11:46 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: The prosecution may not be filing the charge as "rape" due to the verbiage of the law, but the act of rape is most certainly prosecuted here in Texas. Getting convicted for rape is far more damaging that say for sexual assault. Just the allegation of a rape can ruin future career prospects, nobody wants to hire someone like that. You didn't read news about that football team that got falsely accused of rape, then had the rape claim proved false and then still had their lives ruined? Half the punishment is the label of a "rapist" itself. No idea why you're defending not naming a female rapist a rapist. (December 28, 2016 at 12:56 am)pool the great Wrote:(December 27, 2016 at 11:46 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: The prosecution may not be filing the charge as "rape" due to the verbiage of the law, but the act of rape is most certainly prosecuted here in Texas. No, in Texas aggravated sexual assault is the same career-killer as rape elsewhere. Why you think I'm defending anything is beyond me, because I'm not. I'm pointing out, as a citizen of Texas, that you're simply wrong. I'm also pointing out that your appeal to semantics is silly. Bottom line: You're spouting off even though you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and are so wedded to your own views that you're unwilling to consider that you might be wrong. Truly is it said, "Certainty is the surest impediment to learning." (December 27, 2016 at 3:02 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(December 27, 2016 at 1:53 pm)pool the great Wrote: When a woman rape someone she should get charged with rape. Period. Define "extremely rare", because according to a survey conducted by "Greenberg, Bruess and Haffner" (I can find numerous references to this survey but not the actual survey itself), 6.3% of rapists are female. 6.3% doesn't strike me as "extremely rare". Its basically 1 out of every 16 rapists. RE: Hilarious! Trump having problems finding artists.
December 28, 2016 at 3:06 am
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I'm pretty sure it's way more than that. Just the reaction of the public is heartbreaking. People laugh at a man sharing his experience of abuse from a woman. Imagine that. There's actually a video about this on YouTube where a man shares how he was beaten by his girlfriend and locked inside a room and you could hear the whole audience laugh their ass off as if they were on a Jimmy Fallon show. It's truly heartbreaking.
A man that's been raped is looked at with disgust of how weak he must be. Many men doesn't even report these incidents out of fear of ridicule. When they share a rape incident with their friends their friends either congratulate him on getting raped or ridicule him by questioning his sexuality. These kinds of things don't normally happen where I live, I could honestly not give a shit about some rando I'll probably never even meet in my life but once you read stories of these men that after getting raped actually got laughed at, its heartbreaking that you can't help but speak up for them. It just seems outright impossible to even imagine a woman actually getting laughed at for getting raped or have her sexuality questioned. Men deserve the same compassion. RE: Hilarious! Trump having problems finding artists.
December 28, 2016 at 6:15 am
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(December 28, 2016 at 3:06 am)pool the great Wrote: It just seems outright impossible to even imagine a woman actually getting laughed at for getting raped or have her sexuality questioned. Men deserve the same compassion. What happens with women is no less heartbreaking, kid. They get put up on the stand and asked to revisit the sordid details of their violation ... in a sense, asked to relive the experience. Just so we're clear, I'm not advocating shaming male rape victims. But your fixation on what is a much rarer occurrence bespeaks an agenda in play, it seems to me. You come from a legal system which only allows that men commit rape, denies that marital rape is a crime, and defines rape in terms of penetration, and then you are alleging that that is the case elsewhere when in fact it isn't, as you've already been shown. Perhaps you're uncomfortable with the legal redress we in the West provide women who have been violated. Why might that be? Are you perhaps importing your own cultural mores with you? Here, let's look at some facts. Excluding definitions, here's the body of code governing Texas prosecutions of sexual assault: Quote:Sec. 22.011. SEXUAL ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person: And here's the code for aggravated sexual assault: Quote:Sec. 22.021. AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense: Source for both quotes: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Do.../PE.22.htm Now tell us -- don't these things sound like "rape" to you, even if that word you're fixated upon doesn't appear in the text? You'll notice that the language is gender- and violator-neutral. Under this code, a woman can be and has been prosecuted for causing her sexual organs to contact a man's sexual organs against his will. This is stark contrast to the law in your native land: Quote:§375. Rape. A man is said to commit "rape" who, except case hereinafter excepted, has sexual intercourse[15] with a woman in circumstances falling under any of the six following descriptions:- It seems to me like your problem is with the laws of your own country, because clearly those are the ones which suffer the deficiencies that has your butthurt so riled. Clearly, as shown above, even this backwards state of Texas has laws which far surpass those of your own home country in terms of the equal treatment of genders. Looks to me like you'd better zero your rifle in better, kid ... you're hitting Maggie's Drawers on this one. (December 28, 2016 at 1:31 am)Tiberius Wrote:(December 27, 2016 at 3:02 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It should be noted that this type of behavior on the part of women is extremely rare. Mark Twain quipped that, "There are lies, damned lies, and then there's statistics". It's just one survey, and I really doubt that it is accurate. I suppose that we can talk about forcible rape, but better yet, let the FBI answer the question for us; I am sure that there are statistics from the DoJ on this. |
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