Trump orders wall to be built on Mexico border

[Catholic_Lady]

This thread has unnecessarily turned into a complete mess.

I still haven't heard how anyone who supports the wall thinks it will actually physically keep people from sneaking in here illegally. It seems to be more of a back and forth of snarky comments than anything else.

[Ravenshire]

This thread has unnecessarily turned into a complete mess.

I still haven't heard how anyone who supports the wall thinks it will actually physically keep people from sneaking in here illegally. It seems to be more of a back and forth of snarky comments than anything else.

I don't think you'll be able to find anyone who can make a serious, rational argument in favor of The Wall stopping illegal immigration. Not from anyone who understands the fundamental issues involved ant any rate. Hell, the only argument in favor is Wyrd's "it'll make me feel better" argument.

All that's left is snark.

[Catholic_Lady]

Yeah, that's why this thread has been so unproductive.

[downbeatplumb]

"Donald Trump is lying to the American people about undocumented people voting because he wants to set the stage for more voter suppression," Congressman Keith Ellison, a candidate for chair of the Democratic National Committee, told Washington's The Hill newspaper. "Expect Trump and his henchmen to push restrictive photo ID, limit early voting and make it harder to register."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canad...357124#_=_

Well well well it turns out Trump is not nice, who could have guessed?

[Rev. Rye]

I want my affordable Stratocasters!

Eh, I prefer affordable Gibsons; and they're usually made in Southeast Asia. Come to think of it, so are Squier's Strats.

[A Theist]

Trump is threatening Mexico with up to a 20% tax on their imports. If he makes good on that it will be more than enough to pay for the wall.

So I take it you're ok with US citizens about 35% more for goods imported from Mexico then?

Because that's what an import tax means, the buyers at the end of the chain pay it (plus a little extra built in at each step).

No I'm not okay with it, and where did I say that I supported getting involved in a trade war? As far as Trump raising taxes on imports coming from Mexico, all I did was tell what I saw on the news. I never said anything about whether I supported it or not. President Herbert Hoover did something similar to that just prior to the Great Depression. His intentions were in the right place to help put Americans to work and to help our farmers during a recession that we were going through at the time. It worked for a while until a coincidence of economic downturns began happening across the world. In retaliation other nations started raising import taxes on American goods.

Here's something else for discussion....The Tariff Act of 1930

The Tariff Act of 1930 (codified at 19 U.S.C. ch. 4), otherwise known as the Smoot–Hawley Tariff or Hawley–Smoot Tariff,[1] was an act sponsored by Senator Reed Smoot and Representative Willis C. Hawley and signed into law on June 17, 1930. The act raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods.[2]

The tariffs (this does not include duty-free imports – see Tariff levels below) under the act were the second-highest in the U.S. in 100 years, exceeded by a small margin by the Tariff of 1828.[3] The Act and following retaliatory tariffs by America's trading partners helped reduce American exports and imports by more than half during the Depression;[4] but economists disagree by how much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%8...mic_events

[Thumpalumpacus]

I want my affordable Stratocasters!

Eh, I prefer affordable Gibsons; and they're usually made in Southeast Asia. Come to think of it, so are Squier's Strats.

Gibsons are made only in America. Are you perhaps thinking of Epiphones?

[account_inactive]

Not a bad idea actually. The EU can give us billions to buld a wall at the six counties to keep ye brits out after the shit hits the windmill.

Good luck with that, Timmy.

[Rev. Rye]

Eh, I prefer affordable Gibsons; and they're usually made in Southeast Asia. Come to think of it, so are Squier's Strats.

Gibsons are made only in America. Are you perhaps thinking of Epiphones?

Yes, technically. I used the whole brand name mainly because I can't single out any particular model, except maybe the SG.

[Amarok]

Hahahaha. $15 billion for you to "feel better"? What, do you want a $15 billion safe space?

Trump is threatening Mexico with up to a 20% tax on their imports. If he makes good on that it will be more than enough to pay for the wall.

No it won't