Why most arguments for God prove God.

[Pat Mustard]

If God exists, then it's no strange thing that there would be good arguments proving his existence.

Unlike a unicorn that can exist in some universe or planet we have no idea about, that cannot be proven, God can be proven in many ways. And this expected if creation has relationship with it both spiritually and ontologically.

All arguments that prove God:

1.

Perfection must exist to be defined (different than fully known). 
Perfection is defined.
Therefore Perfection exists.

2. If we are not perceived, we do not have an exact value.
The only thing that can see us exactly as we are is perfect judging perception.
We have an exact value.
Therefore God exists.

3. Our actions are inherited to us.
The only who can cause us to inherit our actions is a perfect judge.
Therefore a perfect judge exists.

4. If a hypothetical creator can create goodness/morality from nothing, then it would be arbitrary.
If it was arbitrary, it could be anything the Creator wanted it to be.
Morality cannot be anything a hypothetical Creator wants it to be.
Therefore Morality is Eternal.
Morality requires perception.
Therefore Eternal Perceiver of Morality exists.

5.  Everything requires a reason/explanation.
God is the only explanation that explains itself.
Therefore God exists.

6. Love speaks an eternal exalted language.
That Eternal exalted language has no limits to potential.
All potentials of love must have a basis.
The basis must be highest form of love.
Love is real.
Therefore God exists.

7. Existence is a perfection.
 God is defined to be All-perfect.
Therefore he must by definition exists (another way to look at is that perfection itself would not be defined without God's existence).

Everything you have said here is wrong.

Why do you do this? you seem like a nice young lad but I wonder about your motivation for coming here with.....with...I dont even know how to describe what you've come here with.

I think MK is at that stage in the journey to disbelief where he's realising that his beliefs have no basis in reality but is not yet emotionally ready to abandon them. It explains the manic posting of "proofs" for god, and the shrill way he denys their ineffectiveness to provide an actual proof.

[Brian37]

The vast majority of theists worldwide of every religion are decent empathetic non violent humans. But most humans unfortunately, like MK, and CL and GC and Atlas as well as any Hindu or Buddhist or Jew ect ect ect..... Most humans prefer a comforting lie over reality. It is hard most humans to accept their finite existence.

I have noticed however over the years that it seems to me the middle east is still stuck, like Christianity once was, in the romance of it all and the love of the idea of a god. I see that in MK just like you look at the middle ages and dark ages and how Europe in it's history and buildings and artwork painted Christianity as the hero and center of morality and love. 

We as a species as groups like to think our group is the one, and we like to think our group, is the right one. Even in antiquity and even in polytheism, the love of the divine and the love of success we falsely thought of as coming from a divine place. 

I think humans are lucky if they don't get indoctrinated at birth, and or have parents who raise their kids to chose and think for themselves. That is more widespread in the west than it was in antiquity. I dont think MK or CL or Atlas or most humans are bad at all, but the logic of defending any religion, well, that is a different story.

[Astreja]

I would go so far as to say that the existence of arguments for the existence of a god is a de facto admission that theists know that they have no actual evidence. In other words, to argue for a god rather than to show it is to fail miserably.

[WinterHold]

I would go so far as to say that the existence of arguments for the existence of a god is a de facto admission that theists know that they have no actual evidence.  In other words, to argue for a god rather than to show it is to fail miserably.

Never believed philosophy and arguments are the way. The skies are open for everyone, the human body and life cycle; too.
The rain, thunder, clouds, space, black holes, stars, animals, nature, everything points to him, thanks him too. that's the proof.

Philosophy is not how somebody prove God. Go hike in the night and sleep under the stars, see his creation.

[Jesster]

So in other words, wishful thinking proves God.

[Cyberman]

I just sneezed, farted and belched all at the same time. I bet that proves "God" as well.

[Cyberman]

MK, yesterday:





(Context, for those unfamiliar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Rai...ral_video))

[Astreja]

Philosophy is not how somebody prove God. Go hike in the night and sleep under the stars, see his creation.

But how do we distinguish natural beauty from supernatural beauty?  As far as I can tell, they look exactly the same.  

[The Valkyrie]

Zod exists because he's in literature and in movies.

How can he not exist if that's the case.

And, therefore, by extension, Superman exists..

And Lex Luther.

And Lois Lane.

And Batman

And Gotham City

And thus do stories become mythology and then "real" to the true believers.

[WinterHold]

Philosophy is not how somebody prove God. Go hike in the night and sleep under the stars, see his creation.

But how do we distinguish natural beauty from supernatural beauty?  As far as I can tell, they look exactly the same.  

That's very philosophical when you think about it; the question I mean.
But there is none; if a beauty exists then it is natural.

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Zod exists because he's in literature and in movies.

How can he not exist if that's the case.

And, therefore, by extension, Superman exists..

And Lex Luther.

And Lois Lane.

And Batman

And Gotham City

And thus do stories become mythology and then "real" to the true believers.

I personally think that Batman abuses Robin. Nothing against him, but his attitude it terrible and he should see a shrink.
Not like doctors work every time, but he needs help. 

Catwoman though; is a different story.