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Why Do Atheists Criticize People's Beliefs?
RE: Why Do Atheists Criticize People's Beliefs?
Who wouldn't want to criticize this?


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(May 24, 2017 at 9:44 pm)Valyza1 Wrote:
(May 24, 2017 at 8:44 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Are we really going to play the victim here?

People  - ALL people - criticise others on a daily basis, whether it's for their opinions on a certain subjects, the clothes they wear, or whatever.  And very few people react badly about it.  But criticise religion and it's a whole other issue, apparently.  Why should someone's religious beliefs be above criticism?

Are we going for a world where everyone should just keep their opinions to themselves?

Apologies, I mistook what you said for talking about ridicule, instead of criticism.  That was my mistake.  I'm all for criticism where it can help.  But two things:

1. I wasn't trying to play the victim, I was pointing out that it's better to justify something with a means other than comparing it to something worse.  There's always something worse, so it's not a good way to defend anything.

2.  The reason criticism of religious belief or any belief held strongly for that matter is ineffective is not just because such strong belief is tough to get over emotionally, although that is often true, but, more relevantly, because you're dealing with ideas that aren't susceptible to rational analysis.    There is no clear evidence that the basic idea you've assumed was true your whole life and placed your hopes and confidence in, is actually a lie.  And there can't be clear evidence of it either, just as there can't be clear evidence that it's true.

 But for anyone who believes things purely for emotional purposes, criticism can indeed be effective.  I think even CS Lewis, who converted to Christianity, said during his time as a Christian something to the effect of an honest atheist being closer to God than a religious hypocrite.

Criticism and ridicule on a forum such as this can keep the minds of people who are not sure of their beliefs open.  And religion gets so much free uncriticized publicity as it is.  Need to make sure the other side is represented.  Since the believers as a whole won't question their beliefs, and they support laws to push them, we need to keep the open minded hearing our side.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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(May 22, 2017 at 6:37 pm)Valyza1 Wrote:
(May 21, 2017 at 8:24 pm)Cyberman Wrote: https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/

Also search on youtube for flat Earth. CoolHardLogic has a great series on flattards, as he calls them.

I would assume that's the fringe, yes?

Assume what you want.

Flat earther used a spirit level to prove that the earth is flat
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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(May 23, 2017 at 4:34 pm)Valyza1 Wrote: ^I think your response got deleted?

I do hope this was a joke.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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Why Do Atheists Criticize People's Beliefs?
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(May 25, 2017 at 8:31 am)Cyberman Wrote:
(May 22, 2017 at 6:37 pm)Valyza1 Wrote: I would assume that's the fringe, yes?

Assume what you want.

Flat earther used a spirit level to prove that the earth is flat

Flatheads are definitely on the fringe.
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Why Do Atheists Criticize People's Beliefs?
(May 25, 2017 at 8:32 am)Cyberman Wrote:
(May 23, 2017 at 4:34 pm)Valyza1 Wrote: ^I think your response got deleted?

I do hope this was a joke.
Nope. The original post quoted me but didn't have a response. It was changed after I posted that.

(May 25, 2017 at 7:58 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Criticism and ridicule on a forum such as this can keep the minds of people who are not sure of their beliefs open.  And religion gets so much free uncriticized publicity as it is.  Need to make sure the other side is represented.  Since the believers as a whole won't question their beliefs, and they support laws to push them, we need to keep the open minded hearing our side.
I agree 100% when it comes to certain kinds of criticism, but not when it comes to ridicule. There's nothing open minded about derision of anything and only serves to sway the openminded towards one side, whilst strengthening the prejudices of the other side. So if your goal is to close the minds of the genuinely open minded, then by all means, use ridicule. Otherwise, criticism is your best bet.

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(May 25, 2017 at 11:58 am)Valyza1 Wrote:
(May 25, 2017 at 8:32 am)Cyberman Wrote: I do hope this was a joke.
Nope.  The original post quoted me but didn't have a response.  It was changed after I posted that.

(May 25, 2017 at 7:58 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Criticism and ridicule on a forum such as this can keep the minds of people who are not sure of their beliefs open.  And religion gets so much free uncriticized publicity as it is.  Need to make sure the other side is represented.  Since the believers as a whole won't question their beliefs, and they support laws to push them, we need to keep the open minded hearing our side.
I agree 100% when it comes to certain kinds of criticism, but not when it comes to ridicule.  There's nothing open minded about derision of anything and only serves to sway the openminded towards one side, whilst strengthening the prejudices of the other side.  So if your goal is to close the minds of the genuinely open minded, then by all means, use ridicule.  Otherwise, criticism is your best bet.  


I disagree.  Pointing out the ridiculousness of a belief doesn't automatically close minds.  If someone was more interested in the tone rather than the information conveyed, they weren't that open minded in the first place.
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Claims to undue deference deserve ridicule.

I'm not a missionary, and it's not my job to open minds.
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Why criticize ?

*hmmmm, it's a target rich environment!



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