Matter and energy can be past-eternal

[Alex K]

Since I have no interest to talk to this arsehole further and need to work, I'll leave this explanation by Carroll here in which he mentions Hawking. See, the problem with Hawking as a science popularizer is that he rarely draws a clear line between explaining the scientific consensus and promoting his ideas. In this case, the Hartle+Hawking paper is one proposal among many. It may be right, but things can be quite different.

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog...rse-start/

[ignoramus]

Fess up Alex. What do you REALLY do for a living?

You work in a 7-11, don't you! Hehe

[Alex K]

Fess up Alex. What do you REALLY do for a living?

You work in a 7-11, don't you!  Hehe

You must confuse me with the guy from the helicopters don't work thread. I'm Quickie Mart all the way!

[Alex K]

Man, I've seen all this before. Look for an old thread where someone accuses me of.being a pseudo-intellectual who can't be trusted.

[Amarok]

Man, I've seen all this before. Look for an old thread where someone accuses me of.being a pseudo-intellectual who can't be trusted.

Is that not like every drive by theist on this site

They come here. Repeat a bunch of stuff they read on an apologist website . Then spend the rest of the time continuing there apologist  script . And insulting you for not falling for it or deviating from the script.

[Alex K]

Bingo!

https://atheistforums.org/thread-47466-p...pid1498643

[Amarok]

Oh yes I remember him what an idiot

Fool honestly though we can conceive timeless events. Or we could use descriptions like begin without referring to time .

[ManofYesterday]

So I'm awaiting the evidence that shows Alex is a physicist. It's as though people here don't understand how the Internet works. Alex: "Hai guys i r physicists, buti dont know wut singularity is... der" Atheist Forum: "OMG ALEX IS A PHYSICIST HE KNOWS EVERYTHING I CANT BELIEVE UR ARGUING WITH HIM"

Clearly, Alex is not a physicist. Unfortunately, the "Atheist Forum" community doesn't comprise of the brightest and fairest minds on the web.

Lastly, I've already established that Carroll's arguments are mostly based on speculation and what-ifs. He's not indicative of scientific consensus. Especially when he's going on about the multiverse, which most physicists believe is akin to metaphysics.

So let me know when you're done cheerleading, handwaving, calling me a troll, etc. I'm interested in an actual rebuttal.

I mean do you guys really not know that most physicists believe the universe is past-finite? That alone demonstrates that none of you know what's going on in contemporary science.

Since I have no interest to talk to this arsehole further and need to work

It's interesting that you decided to stop talking to me after I showed you to be full of shit. You stopped right after I posted this:

I wrote that the big bang itself is considered a singularity by contemporary cosmologists.

You responded by saying, “past singularities one encounters in cosmological models are merely points where classical relativity breaks down,”

and then went on to ask me,

“In which sense precisely "is the big bang" a singularity?”

Regardless of how one interprets this, the correct conclusion is you don’t know what you’re talking about. A singularity and the statement “classical physics break down” are not mutually exclusive. You actually said at the big bang physics breaks down, which means it’s a singularity, but then you went on to ask me how the big bang is a singularity. The mind boggles.

Stephen Hawking wrote on his blog, "The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down."

So it seems me and Stephen Hawking agree on what a singularity is while you don't know what one is. How do you not know what a singularity is, Alex? Aren't you a physicist?

And Alex, the reason many people have called you a pseudo-intellectual and a fake physicist in the past is because you seem to not know what the fuck you're talking about. It's not a coincidence that so many people think you're full of shit.

[Jesster]

Bingo!

https://atheistforums.org/thread-47466-p...pid1498643

Oh I remember Gestas! Good call. I think the sock puppet fits the hand.

[Alex K]

The poor gaslighting attempts, too. Almost a carbon copy