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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 6:35 pm
(July 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 5:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: This thread is the FIRST time I have heard you describe yourself as a "conservative" or did I miss something?
Now feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but if you have said "I identify as a conservative", then you do agree with the GOP, or you are trying to personally re define the traditional usage of it.
Kinda like when Christians try to separate the New Testament from the Old Testament, which cannot be done.
At this point in history the vast majority of "conservatives" vote for the GOP or Libertarian. If you vote democrat I fail to see how that matches up.
Now maybe your next post should define what you think "conservative" means, or should mean, on both economic and social issues, because I wont lie, that DOES conflict with my long term knowledge of "conservatives". Dear heart, you stand utterly corrected.
I don't care what the majority does. I am me and if you really took the time to ask me what I mean by conservative I have no problem telling you. But the last thing in the world I feel like doing is explaining myself to people who assume they already know everything and jump down my throat like their opinion is the gospel truth.
Since I met you here I have always liked you and STILL DO.
But unless you want to tell me what you mean by "conservative" I have nothing to compare it to.
Thomas Jefferson, "Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them".
I can only respond to what I have seen with the history of that word. Now if you think I have it wrong, define it to me according to what you think it is or should be.
My long term observation of those who call themselves that, have been those who vote for both the wrong side of social and economic history.
I do not value religious bigotry.
I do not value Wall Street always having the last say.
I do not value having to make up for tax breaks for billionaires who don't need them.
I do not value climate change or evolution denial.
Now you think I am wrong, fine. Your next post should be define for you what you think it is or want it to be.
I am only basing my response to a long term social use of that word to the economic and religious right.
If you survey BOTH democrats and republicans and ask them which party the word "conservative" most likely refers to, I doubt most would say "democrat".
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 6:37 pm
(July 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 5:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: This thread is the FIRST time I have heard you describe yourself as a "conservative" or did I miss something?
Now feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but if you have said "I identify as a conservative", then you do agree with the GOP, or you are trying to personally re define the traditional usage of it.
Kinda like when Christians try to separate the New Testament from the Old Testament, which cannot be done.
At this point in history the vast majority of "conservatives" vote for the GOP or Libertarian. If you vote democrat I fail to see how that matches up.
Now maybe your next post should define what you think "conservative" means, or should mean, on both economic and social issues, because I wont lie, that DOES conflict with my long term knowledge of "conservatives". Dear heart, you stand utterly corrected.
I don't care what the majority does. I am me and if you really took the time to ask me what I mean by conservative I have no problem telling you. But the last thing in the world I feel like doing is explaining myself to people who assume they already know everything and jump down my throat like their opinion is the gospel truth.
Brian will argue with you even if you agree with him. Don't waste your breath.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 6:49 pm
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(July 15, 2017 at 6:37 pm)Jesster Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Dear heart, you stand utterly corrected.
I don't care what the majority does. I am me and if you really took the time to ask me what I mean by conservative I have no problem telling you. But the last thing in the world I feel like doing is explaining myself to people who assume they already know everything and jump down my throat like their opinion is the gospel truth.
Brian will argue with you even if you agree with him. Don't waste your breath.
What am I doing wrong here?
There are blue dog democrats, but that is really just a Libertarian. Great on social issues but still not understanding it means nothing as long as the pay gap keeps exploding.
What good does it do the middle class, working poor, LGBT, Hispanics, Muslims or atheists, if pay even for whites keeps falling in both the middle and poor classes?
I would LOVE for it not to be about labels, but for 40 years the word "conservative" has been attached to and owned by the GOP and the religious right.
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm
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(July 15, 2017 at 6:09 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 5:46 pm)A Theist Wrote: I thought the study was flawed. I don't think it proves in any way that atheists are less open minded than theists. I think how open minded people are has more to do with their political / socio views. Or, it could be just as simple as an individual's personality trait. For example, Brian displays classic leftwing 'Obsessive Trump Disorder'. A flaw in his personality. He eats, sleeps, and breathes Trump. He sees Trump everywhere. Bird shits on his head. He blames Trump. Dog pisses in his Cheerios, it's Trump's fault. You identify yourself as a conservative democrat, and all of a sudden, Brian connects you to Trump, even though you probably didn't vote for him. It's a Trump conspiracy as far as Brian is concerned.
To me, Liberals would be people like Bill Clinton. Leftist would be Bernie Sanders. The far left would be those like BAMN and ANTIFA.
Yup. I'm a Republican, but still pro union. 
No. Republicans aren't the worse. Democrats can be pretty underhanded when dealing with unions. On the surface they give lip service to labor unions to get their votes. Behind the scenes they work to undermine the unions, as in this example...
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/14...onnections
Way to go, Obama!
No and bullshit. Do not confuse what dems should not be doing, which we do too much of which is compromise, as being "underhanded". You will not get away with blaming the hostages and accuse them of being the hostage takers.
REAGAN started this. Unions have been on the decline ever since. The only thing our POLITICIANS, not the voters, just our politicians can be accused of in 36 years is stupidly trying to compete with the wrong side of history.
Again, if the GOP was so great at everything nobody would be bitching. Reagan started it and workers have been fucked ever since. I only blame dems as far as politicians for too much compromise and as far as voters too much apathy and sitting out in midterms and general elections. If we had never given up like we did when Reagan defeated the Air Traffic Control Unions, the GOP would have gone extinct back in the 80s.
If you say you value unions your are an idiot voting against your own self interests.
Here here it's still the republicans bashing the union's The Dems only fault is being to willing to give in to there bullying and extortion tactics in the name compromise .
Quote:http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/14...onnections
Drop in the bucket to all the behind the doors and straight up open war Republicans have been waging against unions. And there more then happy to stab there own in the back.
https://thedailybanter.com/2017/02/iowa-...n-busting/
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 8:04 pm
Yet more reasons I reject these stupid-ass labels. Left, right, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, they just don't make sense.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 8:06 pm
(July 15, 2017 at 8:04 pm)Astonished Wrote: Yet more reasons I reject these stupid-ass labels. Left, right, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, they just don't make sense.
I still prefer labels. I mean, without them, I might as well call a girl a tree.
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 8:18 pm
Well, think about this; I'm in favor of some things from the left, and some things from the right. Am I a centrist? That makes no sense because someone can hold the exact opposite opinions of mine and would then logically also be a centrist. So a centrist should sound more like someone who really doesn't give a shit about either thing, meaning they hold no opinions about anything, and that just doesn't make any damn sense. And why the arbitrary 'this is liberal and this is conservative' distinctions? Who decided that? The labels are totally insufficient. I'm merely saying we should adopt new, more appropriate ones and divide them along more consistent lines.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 8:24 pm
(July 15, 2017 at 8:18 pm)Astonished Wrote: Well, think about this; I'm in favor of some things from the left, and some things from the right. Am I a centrist? That makes no sense because someone can hold the exact opposite opinions of mine and would then logically also be a centrist. So a centrist should sound more like someone who really doesn't give a shit about either thing, meaning they hold no opinions about anything, and that just doesn't make any damn sense. And why the arbitrary 'this is liberal and this is conservative' distinctions? Who decided that? The labels are totally insufficient. I'm merely saying we should adopt new, more appropriate ones and divide them along more consistent lines.
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 8:28 pm
(July 15, 2017 at 8:24 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 8:18 pm)Astonished Wrote: Well, think about this; I'm in favor of some things from the left, and some things from the right. Am I a centrist? That makes no sense because someone can hold the exact opposite opinions of mine and would then logically also be a centrist. So a centrist should sound more like someone who really doesn't give a shit about either thing, meaning they hold no opinions about anything, and that just doesn't make any damn sense. And why the arbitrary 'this is liberal and this is conservative' distinctions? Who decided that? The labels are totally insufficient. I'm merely saying we should adopt new, more appropriate ones and divide them along more consistent lines.
The Political Compass Test
If it doesn't do what I'm proposing, I'm not going to waste my time. Does it do anything like I've described or just tell you if you're left or right or some other popular colloquial label?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: New Study: atheists are less open-minded than theists
July 15, 2017 at 8:38 pm
(July 15, 2017 at 6:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Since I met you here I have always liked you and STILL DO.
But unless you want to tell me what you mean by "conservative" I have nothing to compare it to.
Thomas Jefferson, "Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them".
I can only respond to what I have seen with the history of that word. Now if you think I have it wrong, define it to me according to what you think it is or should be.
My long term observation of those who call themselves that, have been those who vote for both the wrong side of social and economic history.
I do not value religious bigotry.
I do not value Wall Street always having the last say.
I do not value having to make up for tax breaks for billionaires who don't need them.
I do not value climate change or evolution denial.
Now you think I am wrong, fine. Your next post should be define for you what you think it is or want it to be.
I am only basing my response to a long term social use of that word to the economic and religious right.
If you survey BOTH democrats and republicans and ask them which party the word "conservative" most likely refers to, I doubt most would say "democrat". And you know I love me some Brian.
True, the word is not usually used to describe a democrat. I use it basically because I:
1. don't believe in helping people who are not at least willing to help themselves.
2. Believe that some help is offered to weaken people and make them dependent. So I don't favor every politician who gets up there talking about helping the poor.
3.Don't spend money just because I have it.
4. Believe in getting a return on my investment. Even if it's just bringing joy into someone's life. But not for someone to build long term plans around me helping them. "Let me go on and buy this living room set. Rhonda will help me pay my rent." Oh, hell to the no I won't.
As for taxing the rich Why should they get a free ride? It used to be the rich played a vital role in society. Philanthropists sponsoring artists and the arts and sciences. Concentrated wealth supporting new technologies until the prices came down. They don't do that anymore.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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