North Korea Now Making Missile Ready Nuclear Weapons

[Brian37]

We can bet that Don and his Generals have got a map like this with the sites marked down for annihilation by cruise missile and drone strikes to draw Kim's teeth.
Without nukes in his toybox Kim will be just a harmless tub of hot air..

A harmless tub of hot air? Are you fucking kidding?!?

Tell that to the people of Seoul. I'm sure they can explain the significance of 15,000-odd artillery pieces and rocket launchers.

No fucking shit, I agree. Dropshit has the same hyper nationalistic dreamy eyed delusional FRANK BURNS from MASH mentality. This isn't a fucking board game we are playing here, this is real life.

15,000 rocket launchers and Dropshit thinks none of that will hit Seoul?

[Jehanne]

We can bet that Don and his Generals have got a map like this with the sites marked down for annihilation by cruise missile and drone strikes to draw Kim's teeth.
Without nukes in his toybox Kim will be just a harmless tub of hot air..

A harmless tub of hot air? Are you fucking kidding?!?

Tell that to the people of Seoul. I'm sure they can explain the significance of 15,000-odd artillery pieces and rocket launchers.

What makes anyone think that China will not get involved in a war that the US starts?

[Crossless2.0]

A harmless tub of hot air? Are you fucking kidding?!?

Tell that to the people of Seoul. I'm sure they can explain the significance of 15,000-odd artillery pieces and rocket launchers.

What makes anyone think that China will not get involved in a war that the US starts?

I, for one, think it's a certainty that they'd get involved. The question is how.

Whether they actively intervene in a shooting war, hit us economically, or both is the question. But it wouldn't be pretty.

Trump needs to understand that we're not holding many good cards, here.

[Brian37]

A harmless tub of hot air? Are you fucking kidding?!?

Tell that to the people of Seoul. I'm sure they can explain the significance of 15,000-odd artillery pieces and rocket launchers.

What makes anyone think that China will not get involved in a war that the US starts?

BINGO, China doesn't like Un anymore than America does. But as I have repeatedly pointed out China does not want a refugee problem that a war would cause, and they don't want a western style government taking over NK ending up directly next to their border. They would go to war with America to compete to fill the vacuum a Un collapse would create. 

Now if America wants to, but they wont, nor should they, if America wanted to say to China, "We will let you have North Korea if you let us take them out without going to war with us." Then you'd have something, but America isn't going to do that. South Korea wouldn't want that either.

[Jehanne]

What makes anyone think that China will not get involved in a war that the US starts?

I, for one, think it's a certainty that they'd get involved. The question is how.

Whether they actively intervene in a shooting war, hit us economically, or both is the question. But it wouldn't be pretty.

Trump needs to understand that we're not holding many good cards, here.

If Trump detonates a nuclear bomb, I predict that China & Russia will join forces and WW III will follow, but, for a very short time, "American will be great again!", well, at least according to Trump's dwindling supporters.

[Crossless2.0]

I, for one, think it's a certainty that they'd get involved. The question is how.

Whether they actively intervene in a shooting war, hit us economically, or both is the question. But it wouldn't be pretty.

Trump needs to understand that we're not holding many good cards, here.

If Trump detonates a nuclear bomb, I predict that China & Russia will join forces and WW III will follow, but, for a very short time, "American will be great again!", well, at least according to Trump's dwindling supporters.

I may be overly hopeful, but if it came to that I assume there is at least one goddamned adult in the administration who could beat a 71-year-old into a coma before he started WWIII.

[Jehanne]

If Trump detonates a nuclear bomb, I predict that China & Russia will join forces and WW III will follow, but, for a very short time, "American will be great again!", well, at least according to Trump's dwindling supporters.

I may be overly hopeful, but if it came to that I assume there is at least one goddamned adult in the administration who could beat a 71-year-old into a coma before he started WWIII.

I posted this elsewhere, but it is a good article for this thread:

Kelly Worked With Mattis to Make Sure a Grown-Up Was Always Near Trump
Continuing with the John Kelly theme, Newsweek reports some very interesting news about the new chief of staff. It would seem that, while he was serving as Secretary of Homeland Security, he and Secretary of Defense James Mattis coordinated their schedules, such that one or the other would always be near Donald Trump. That way, should the President ever be tempted to launch a military or nuclear strike, there would be an experienced, high-ranking military officer available to discuss it with him (and, ideally, to talk him out of it). Presumably the arrangement will continue, and will be even easier to execute, now that Kelly is in his new job.
On one level, this news is reassuring, as it means there will be an added layer of protection in between Trump's potentially-itchy trigger finger, and America's immense arsenal. On the other hand, it's also rather frightening that two men who know the President well concluded that such an arrangement was advisable. Clearly, concerns that The Donald could go off half-cocked are not just in our imaginations. (Z)

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2017/Se...tml#item-3

[Aoi Magi]

I don't think there'd be ww3 because I still have enough faith to believe that not all world leaders are absolute morons. An all out nuclear war will wipe out our species, and those who know that won't risk it.

[Anomalocaris]

A harmless tub of hot air? Are you fucking kidding?!?

Tell that to the people of Seoul. I'm sure they can explain the significance of 15,000-odd artillery pieces and rocket launchers.

What makes anyone think that China will not get involved in a war that the US starts?

China will certainly get involved.  But by what means will they get involved?

Will they come in with guns blazing?  I doubt it.

More likely they will do something well short of open hostility, but still sufficient to severely circumscribe the range of military and political options available to the US, and leave the US the hideous options of accepting an inconclusive outcome that leaves china stronger, or bear the onus of starting a shooting war with rival superpower that has a real nuclear arsenal?

One possible thing they could do is at the start of hostility between US and North Korea, China will unilateral declare a sanctuary and no-fly zone over northern parts of North Korea, and start to patrol it with their air force.  It might cover parts of North Korea's nuclear facilities and arsenal.   They don't shoot at US forces unless the US forces shoots at them first, but they do make it impossible for the US to use military force to force a final outcome on the peninsula without driving the Chinese out.

What does the US do, bear the onus of starting a shooting war with china by shooting first?  Or accept an inconclusive outcome to a discretionary war we started, and let American prestige and desireability as a security partner further decline because China has shown it can impose its will on other parts of Asia without firing a shot, even though they act directly against the very teeth of US military power?

[bennyboy]

We can bet that Don and his Generals have got a map like this with the sites marked down for annihilation by cruise missile and drone strikes to draw Kim's teeth.
Without nukes in his toybox Kim will be just a harmless tub of hot air..

A harmless tub of hot air? Are you fucking kidding?!?

Tell that to the people of Seoul. I'm sure they can explain the significance of 15,000-odd artillery pieces and rocket launchers.

He can tell that to me, too, since I live in Seoul.

A war is likely to be very bad. I SUSPECT that America will work their air magic and eliminate most targets within a week. However, there's a real possibility for things to go horribly wrong if the regime is threatened.

There is a question to ask though: can America afford to play a wait-and-see game with Kim? In my opinion, the right move FOR AMERICA seems to be to go in now, while the risk of major catastrophe for the States is still relatively small. What happens in 20 years when the place is bristling with nukes, and N. Korean subs are patrolling the Pacific and so on? Not a pleasant thought.