Go Blow Jesus Out Your Ass

[Mystic]

I don't think any human can claim they represent reason but the chosen ones.

I rely on the chosen ones, and I rely on the guide, that has clear evidence for his authority.

Neither Dawkins nor Harris represent the right path of reasoning and what reasoning leads to.

Reasoning and reflection is the path the Quran calls to and doesn't value worshiping God without it.

Why should I trust you guys know how to reason properly?  Because you emphasize on it? So what?

I have seen nothing but a mockery of reason from you guys.

The best reasoning is mocked, the best reflections are dismissed, and you are immersed in doubt for the sake of doubting....

If you don't know when to stop doubting, then doubting becomes purposeless, you have to recognize when to realize truth and acknowledge it. When evidence is presented even if it goes against your most treasured desires, you got to abandon it.

The Truth is reason is best represented by God's chosen ones, who can teach us how to recite God's book and connect us to him through that recitation.

They are light and the eyes we are meant to perceive by.

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As opposed to you, which wants the words to have no meaning because you don't want them to?

No.

We just don't take words from a discredited book written on behalf of an illiterate child molester to be anything more than what it is: a control mechanism over the weak minded.

You want to discredit the book of God on the basis of your desires from something itself forbids (it forbids marrying children and even says the age of marriage is that of the most prime time of a human, when they are their greatest strength and when they are sufficient intelligence to be guided in life) and from something narrated by the very people it tells us to not trust and not to take their words for granted.

You want to deny what is for certain and has clear proofs by what doesn't but is just noise from those who wish to put out God's light.

[Minimalist]

Jesus is way too cool for you Valkyrie, stick to made up heroes by Hollywood to get your enjoyment from as opposed to the navigators of the just city talked about by Socrates, the Philosopher Kings necessary for the guidance of humanity talked about by Plato.

Nah, keep electing people who are joke and keep looking to be lead by misguided people.

Submission to God - and its representatives and guides - and their followers - it is way too cool for you.

Keep it dull, shades of gray, and all that.

Don't ever look into the inward kingdom....

And make sure to keep mocking every proof and reminder that comes to you.....

Like I said way too cool for you.

Jesus is just as imaginary as Luke Skywalker.

The difference between Star Wars fans and the fans of religion is that WE realise that it's all made up.

As for the rest, feel free to go fuck yourself, you self absorbed, judgemental piece of shit.

Repeatedly.

With a barbed wire dildo.

But unlike fucking "jesus" Luke did show up for the sequels!

[The Valkyrie]

No.

We just don't take words from a discredited book written on behalf of an illiterate child molester to be anything more than what it is: a control mechanism over the weak minded.

You want to discredit the book of God on the basis of your desires from something itself forbids (it forbids marrying children and even says the age of marriage is that of the most prime time of a human, when they are their greatest strength and when they are sufficient intelligence to be guided in life) and from something narrated by the very people it tells us to not trust and not to take their words for granted.

You want to deny what is for certain and has clear proofs by what doesn't but is just noise from those who wish to put out God's light.

I don't need to discredit the lesser book of fantasy because it discredits itself.

It's full of stories that clearly didn't occurs, with elements of bad fantasy, that you would dismiss if they occurred in any other religions.

[Minimalist]

You want to discredit the book of God

All you have to do is produce evidence that your fucking god wrote it.  Hey, Joseph Smith got gold tablets.  It seems that some angel whispering in the ear of a sleeping camel-dung merchant is a poor runner up but, fuck.  It's your holy horseshit.

[Kernel Sohcahtoa]

Regarding [1], are you sure the truth that you've been espousing is actually truth, or has it become truth because of your personal emphasis/opinions?

Regarding [2], are you willing to apply the part in bold to your present way of thinking?

Thanks for your response and your time.

1. I am sure and am increasing in the vision of certainty and it is very enjoyable. Seeing the Creator witness you constantly to the degree you know reality cannot exist and nothing can exist without an absolute God with no equal creating it from his vision and will and that were are his breaths and words, is a certainty that is increasing and increasing with reflection.  

But let me set it straight. It needs your personal opinion to coincide with the truth to see the truth and you need your desire to coincide with submitting to the truth, to come together. 

2. I am, I will abandon any falsehood that becomes apparent to me, and will support every truth that is proven.  And if I don't, then I would fall astray from the path of increasing in vision of the truth to that of being immersed in falsehood mixed with truth.



When I thought Islam was false, I abandoned it. When I realized for certain it is true, I advocated it. I could not follow Islam while I thought it was false, so I didn't.

There came a period where I was neutral regarding it as well, not knowing if it was false or true.

There is no doubt to me we are connected to a reminder, and the family of the reminder, both it's founding Captain of the ship of salvation and his twelve guiding successors,  they are the love of my life,  I appreciate God gifting us with their presence though they suffered and we didn't treat our guests properly, more then anything else I appreciate in this world.

I love them and I love them because I am certain they are by path to God and most noblest leaders, and their authority is that of God's,  they inherited the Prophets, and are the means for humanity to acheiving justice and peace.

The balance. I realize the wisdom and the more higher nature of God's words in Quran. I realize it and it's bright like the sun.

I am certain of Islam, Mohammad and Ali, and the leaders from Fatima's offspring.

Mystic, I appreciate your response.  I actually wanted to apologize for my poor attempt at humor in post 24 when I asked if reason was too hot to handle (my skill at computer humor is pretty terrible).  

With that said, regarding 2, it is not clear to me how you can be sure that you are not currently immersing yourself in falsehood or "falsehood mixed with truth" as you put it.  Could you please elaborate further?  Thanks.

P.S. It was stated in the quote above that you will support every truth that is proven.  How do you personally define a proof and are you open to exploring other methods of proof that differ from your own? Thanks.

[Brakeman]

Having noted that I had 2,999 threads I decided to make #3,000 consistent with my general outlook.  For non-xhristards you make substitute whatever imaginary deity you have concocted and likewise blow that out your asses, too!



As real as any of the others!

Gee, you must be very very old Min.  

Of course you lived at the time of Jesus and witness that he was a bad man, did you?  

Evidence Min you got all the bullcrap evidence that is why you know that Jesus was such a bad man.
Who would doubt your evidence.
Not me of course.  

It's really too bad that despite your "personal relationship" with jesus you can't actually have a conversation with him, you know, a real conversation where new information is passed in English. If you could you could have jesus do the talking for you and maybe convince even old dodgers like Min and I.

When you pray, you have to translate warm and fuzzy feelings, but your god supposedly passed on intricate histories and conversations to some middle eastern scribes to make your bible. Funny how god could talk to the nobody scribes and write shit down but not to you. Kinda shows you that you're not high on your god's list doesn't it? Does your god know you are a faker too? Is that why he's not talking to you?

[Minimalist]

I bet fucking jesus always tells him exactly what he wants to hear.

That's how it is with invisible friends.... they are always on your side.

Most people outgrow them by the age of 5 or 6 but not religitards.  They think it is a permanent arrangement.

[Mystical]

Jesus is way too cool for you Valkyrie, stick to made up heroes by Hollywood to get your enjoyment from as opposed to the navigators of the just city talked about by Socrates, the Philosopher Kings necessary for the guidance of humanity talked about by Plato.

Nah, keep electing people who are joke and keep looking to be lead by misguided people.

Submission to God - and its representatives and guides - and their followers - it is way too cool for you.

Keep it dull, shades of gray, and all that.

Don't ever look into the inward kingdom....

And make sure to keep mocking every proof and reminder that comes to you.....

Like I said way too cool for you.

Whoa! Last time I ran into you on here it was, granted, a long time ago. But then you were a wavy daisy flower child deist as far as I could tell. I could go back and look, but I'd rather gouge my eyes out to be honest. Now you're all Jesus that this and shit, hostile to someone about politics who doesn't even live in your country, and has a demonstrably better government than yours? Seems like religion and politics got ahold of you, and not in a good way. I'd do some soul searching if I were you, the change is so drastic it's frightening!

[ignoramus]

[Little Rik]

Gee, you must be very very old Min.  

Of course you lived at the time of Jesus and witness that he was a bad man, did you?  

Evidence Min you got all the bullcrap evidence that is why you know that Jesus was such a bad man.
Who would doubt your evidence.
Not me of course.  

It's really too bad that despite your "personal relationship" with jesus you can't actually have a conversation with him, you know, a real conversation where new information is passed in English. If you could you could have jesus do the talking for you and maybe convince even old dodgers like Min and I.

When you pray, you have to translate warm and fuzzy feelings, but your god supposedly passed on intricate histories and conversations to some middle eastern scribes to make your bible. Funny how god could talk to the nobody scribes and write shit down but not to you. Kinda shows you that you're not high on your god's list doesn't it? Does your god know you are a faker too? Is that why he's not talking to you?

Here few points.

1) It is the nut case that started this thread that should give evidence that Jesus was a bad person considering that he think so.

2) I do not pray anyone.
Why should I?
I don't follow religions in which people ask for the daily bread or miracles.
In yoga you got to work hard to get your daily bread or to sort out your problems.

3) Jesus never intended to start any religion.
In fact he opposed religions that is why the priest of his time convinced Pilate to kill him.

4) From what we know Jesus did nothing wrong to be vituperate.

5) Nut cases relay on what religions say about Jesus but Jesus never agree with religions so anyone who vituperate Jesus on the bases of what religions say is obviously a nut case.
If you also put the fact that religions have committed so many crimes then their reputation convince anyone that whatever religions say is wrong even when they say something that occasionally make sense.