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RE: Why as an Atheist I Cannot Sin
September 14, 2017 at 8:59 am
(September 13, 2017 at 10:58 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (September 10, 2017 at 1:25 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: A christian can sew seeds to the flesh all week then go to church on Sunday and pray for a crop failure. I can't do that.
I have to be able to look myself in the mirror and be honest about the person I'm looking at. I have to be able to sleep with myself at night.
To go back to church now and "rest in god's forgiveness" would be like tasting the red pill and trying to go back to the blue pill. Like tasting reality and trying to go back to the illusion.
Hold onto your illusion if that's what you need to do, but I'm unwilling to go through the effort it would take to psyche myself out that way.
And when you find yourself in judgement before the God of salvation what then, this stuff you posted want mean one thing then. You still haven't shown that you haven't sinned, on the contrary you did without using the word sin, very clever of you.
The reason God wants us to ask for forgiveness, because He wants us to examine ourselves and see where we need to improve our lives, we have to examine before we can ask for forgiveness. By the way we do not have to wait for a Sunday morning service to do so, like many atheist here like to say we're to do it in the quite of our home. You try to make asking God to forgive us for our sins against Him as some kind of "get out of jail free card," it's not that way, asking is part of the living relationship with Him. To bad you missed this part of the Christian life. I'll gladly "rest in God's forgiveness," it's the only way to eternal life, judgment day awaits and I would rather not be part of what you are asking for. I have no illusion to hold onto, I hold to the truth of Christ, something that's more real than you or I.
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RE: Why as an Atheist I Cannot Sin
September 14, 2017 at 9:42 am
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2017 at 9:47 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Sin is one of those things where I think that the religious got it right for the wrong reasons. Divorced from it's elaborate theological flourishes...."sin", even in the biblical narrative, is simply a comment on mans propensity and tendency towards evil. However that evil may be defined. This tendency is uncontroversial and trivially easy to demonstrate. It's equally available to secular explanations for moral failure.
Why do good people, whose rational and compelling moral propositions - with a full understanding of their actions and principled disagreement with them.... do bad things? Sin.
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RE: Why as an Atheist I Cannot Sin
September 14, 2017 at 10:06 am
(September 10, 2017 at 1:25 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: A christian can sew seeds to the flesh all week then go to church on Sunday and pray for a crop failure. I can't do that.
I have to be able to look myself in the mirror and be honest about the person I'm looking at. I have to be able to sleep with myself at night.
To go back to church now and "rest in god's forgiveness" would be like tasting the red pill and trying to go back to the blue pill. Like tasting reality and trying to go back to the illusion.
Hold onto your illusion if that's what you need to do, but I'm unwilling to go through the effort it would take to psyche myself out that way.
I totally agree with you. like everybody else, I'm not perfect, I can live with that. I only want to apologize to someone I wronged. If there was a God, I would apologize to Him, only if I wronged Him.
I don't believe in a God, so I don't need his forgiveness no matter what.
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RE: Why as an Atheist I Cannot Sin
September 16, 2017 at 8:27 pm
(September 14, 2017 at 10:06 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: I only want to apologize to someone I wronged. If there was a God, I would apologize to Him, only if I wronged Him.
I don't believe in a God, so I don't need his forgiveness no matter what.
I only apologize to someone whom I've wronged. In addition, I don't consider the apology complete until I've also paid any material debts that may have been incurred as a result of my action.
For example, if I were to borrow an LP and accidentally scratch it on my turntable, saying "I'm sorry" is just the beginning. I feel an obligation to find a replacement for the damaged item, of equal or better quality.
I would never pray for forgiveness and think that that was the end of it, and I don't accept a "sorry" without a sincere attempt at restitution. Talk is cheap. Actions are priceless.
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RE: Why as an Atheist I Cannot Sin
September 17, 2017 at 5:08 am
(September 16, 2017 at 8:27 pm)Astreja Wrote: (September 14, 2017 at 10:06 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: I only want to apologize to someone I wronged. If there was a God, I would apologize to Him, only if I wronged Him.
I don't believe in a God, so I don't need his forgiveness no matter what.
I only apologize to someone whom I've wronged. In addition, I don't consider the apology complete until I've also paid any material debts that may have been incurred as a result of my action.
For example, if I were to borrow an LP and accidentally scratch it on my turntable, saying "I'm sorry" is just the beginning. I feel an obligation to find a replacement for the damaged item, of equal or better quality.
I would never pray for forgiveness and think that that was the end of it, and I don't accept a "sorry" without a sincere attempt at restitution. Talk is cheap. Actions are priceless.
You are right!
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RE: Why as an Atheist I Cannot Sin
September 17, 2017 at 7:42 am
(September 10, 2017 at 1:25 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: A christian can sew seeds to the flesh all week then go to church on Sunday and pray for a crop failure. I can't do that.
I have to be able to look myself in the mirror and be honest about the person I'm looking at. I have to be able to sleep with myself at night.
To go back to church now and "rest in god's forgiveness" would be like tasting the red pill and trying to go back to the blue pill. Like tasting reality and trying to go back to the illusion.
Hold onto your illusion if that's what you need to do, but I'm unwilling to go through the effort it would take to psyche myself out that way.
I wouldn't limit flawed humans to one label or the excuses they make to justify being flawed. Having just finally found place to take my dog, having been wracked with guilt living in fear, and having lived in a dumpster for over a year, I am no fan of judging those with problems. I would only agree that it was me, not a cosmic hero saving me or a ground troll causing me to allow my life to get that bad. I was the one who finally got help and no magical being exists that got me that help.
But there are different motifs for every religion, even Hindus and Buddhists have their superstitions as to why humans do good or bad. Reincarnation and Karma are Asian superstitions that depict in different detail the same "accountability" and "punishment, reward" ideas.
Motifs of making mistakes or doing bad chalked up to magic and divine are not a patent owned by one religion, but exist in every religion because humans really simply don't want to accept that if we want to reduce suffering, or harming others, then we only have each other to look for ways to reduce those things.
Point being, even as atheists, nobody is perfect, we are human beings too, and we hurt others and we make mistakes too. I would say that all religions take our species behaviors and turn them into comic book explanations. There is nothing invisible out there helping humans, all we have are each other.
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