Star Trek Discovery, your thoughts?

[Kernel Sohcahtoa]

The Doctor, Seven, and Icheb are my favorite characters from Voyager.   I think my favorite episode of Voyager is "Someone to Watch Over Me." I enjoy the highly diplomatic and very interculturally competent toast that Seven gives at the reception in Voyager's mess hall; the Doctor is her date.   Also, I can personally relate to the Doctor's inexperience/ineptness in matters of romance (I can relate to Odo from DS9 in this way too).

I think my favourite Voyager episode had to be the Tuvok episode with flashbacks to Captain Sulu (can't remember the name).

Best DS9 has to go to The Visitor.  The actor who played Worf's brother in TNG showed how amazingly talented he is in that episode.

I agree.  Tony Todd, the actor who played Jake Sisko as an adult, did a wonderful job here.   I liked seeing Jake's future as a brilliant writer.  In addition, I must admit that the scenes where adult Jake and his father reunite for a few minutes and then are separated due to his father shifting back into another dimension, are very poignant.  Hence, his outstanding performance made me think about the relationship that I have with my father.

[Ravenshire]

Thought for sure you were going to object to the short lived girl who went on to morph into a 'god', well, at least an alien able to do stuff in ways that would be over our head to understand.

That didn't bother me. One off bad themes rarely do.

Yeah, they kinda lost the plot with Kes fairly early on.

Though they could have developed the character better.

Seven-of-Nine was a better character, generally, once they figured out how to write properly for the character.

Neelix should have been ejected into space the moment they met him.

But the Doctor was definitely a highlight of the show.

(emphasis is mine)

Or, they could have dumped him and Tuvok and kept the Tuvix character that was far superior to either.

Best DS9 has to go to The Visitor. The actor who played Worf's brother in TNG showed how amazingly talented he is in that episode.

For me it's a tossup between "The Visitor" and "Rejoined." I felt so bad for Dax when Lenara Kahn got on the shuttle. That episode also set up what would have been a perfect premise for bringing Voyager home and maintain contact/relations with the Delta Quadrant when Lenara Kahn opened the first artificial wormhole. It could have been used much like DS9's wormhole to the gamma quadrant and Voyager could have been made a liaison ship between alpha and delta quadrants. Soooo much missed opportunity! Honestly, that whole fourth season of DS9 was great. So many great episodes that season. "The Way of the Warrior," "Little Green Men," "The Sword of Kahless," "Our Man Bashir," "Crossfire," "Return to Grace," "Sons of Mogh," "Hard Time," "Shattered Mirror," "For the Cause," "Body Parts," "Broken Link." This season is why I still think to this day the DS9 was the best of all the Trek series.

[Aroura]

I didn't mind Neelix so much, though Kes's story did get kinda silly. The character I despised on Voyager was Chakotay, what a pretentious prick he was. Kinda disliked B'Ellana, though she grew on me over time. I agree the series got better a few seasons in. One of my favorite episodes was " Death Wish", but I've always been a fan of Q episodes.

DS9 was really amazing, though it took time for me to enjoy it. I was also turned off by the idea of a stationary Trek show, but once I gave it a chance, I was glad I did. Though there were still terribad characters. I never liked Kira.

[ignoramus]

I saw "Chakotay" irl at a nerd convention. The guy was funny as!
Maybe they scripted his character bad or he wasn't a great actor...

[The Valkyrie]

The Q episodes were generally really good.

My favourite line comes from his one appearance on DS9.

"You're arrogant, egotistical and you think you know everything!" (Paraphrased).

Q, in a hurt voice, "But... I do know everything!"

[Whateverist]

Thought for sure you were going to object to the short lived girl who went on to morph into a 'god', well, at least an alien able to do stuff in ways that would be over our head to understand.

Yeah, they kinda lost the plot with Kes fairly early on.

Though they could have developed the character better.

Seven-of-Nine was a better character, generally, once they figured out how to write properly for the character.

Neelix should have been ejected into space the moment they met him.

But the Doctor was definitely a highlight of the show.

There was so much to like about 7 of 9, everything from what it would be like to return to being solitary from having been collective to her prominent rack.  Neelix was goofy like a clown but good for comic relief.  The doctor was very strange and always triggered my AI ridicule.  The captain was a good character too.

[Pat Mustard]

Voyager started out well enough, but had one repeating plot point that just bugged the shit out of me to the point it became unwatchable, hence the Gilligan's Island reference:

"This technology will be able to send us home! Yay! But, wait. It won't work with our tech/can't be taken off the planet/requires more power than the ship can produce/would violate the prime directive/warp 10 will turn us into giant slugs/ad infinitum." No way that shit flies when half your crew are members of a terrorist organization.

Kinda like having a guy on the island who could build an atomic bomb out of a pineapple, a couple coconuts and some palm leaves who couldn't fix a two foot hole in a boat.

I think the worst single thing in Voyager wasn't the incompetent captain getting the crew stranded in the Delta quadrant for the lack of a timer fuse (the intelligent thing to do would be to beam the torpedo across with a timer, failing that the clever thing would have been to beam a red shirt over with orders to detonate, the heroic but duty derelicting thing would have been to beam over yourself with it, Janeway decided to channel Zapp Brannigan), not Chakotay getting buck naked in Tattoo, not the "direction of human evolution" in Threshold, not even Der Sheisskopf nearly blowing up the ship with cheese, but that moment in The Cloud where they handwave the holodeck being on by saying it's run off power incompatible with the whole rest of Starfleet.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you voodoo shark

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Voyager started out well enough, but had one repeating plot point that just bugged the shit out of me to the point it became unwatchable, hence the Gilligan's Island reference:

"This technology will be able to send us home! Yay! But, wait. It won't work with our tech/can't be taken off the planet/requires more power than the ship can produce/would violate the prime directive/warp 10 will turn us into giant slugs/ad infinitum." No way that shit flies when half your crew are members of a terrorist organization.

Kinda like having a guy on the island who could build an atomic bomb out of a pineapple, a couple coconuts and some palm leaves who couldn't fix a two foot hole in a boat.

Thought for sure you were going to object to the short lived girl who went on to morph into a 'god', well, at least an alien able to do stuff in ways that would be over our head to understand.

Way to go triggering my PTSD over Elogium. Thank you very much.

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Yeah, they kinda lost the plot with Kes fairly early on.

Though they could have developed the character better.

Seven-of-Nine was a better character, generally, once they figured out how to write properly for the character.

Neelix should have been ejected into space the moment they met him.

But the Doctor was definitely a highlight of the show.

You want to hear the real story about them getting rid of Kes, it was supposed to be Harry Kim, mainly because he couldn't act. But in the hiatus between seasons 3 & 4 (when poor dumb Harry was getting tentacle raped by Species 8472) Garret Wang was voted one of the 50 most beautiful people in the world by People magazine. The showrunners, desperate for ratings, cancelled the kill of Kim subplot and decided to get rid of Kes instead.

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I didn't mind Neelix so much, though Kes's story did get kinda silly. The character I despised on Voyager was Chakotay, what a pretentious prick he was. Kinda disliked B'Ellana, though she grew on me over time. I agree the series got better a few seasons in. One of my favorite episodes was " Death Wish", but I've always been a fan of Q episodes.

DS9 was really amazing, though it took time for me to enjoy it. I was also turned off by the idea of a stationary Trek show, but once I gave it a chance, I was glad I did. Though there were still terribad characters. I never liked Kira.

I saw "Chakotay" irl at a nerd convention. The guy was funny as!
Maybe they scripted his character bad or he wasn't a great actor...

Two words as to why Chakotay (or as Torres calls him, Chocolate Day) came out so bad: Jamake Highwater.

[vorlon13]

Harry Kim and hentai with 8472 isn't something I needed to think about

[pocaracas]

I think... the trek is back.... with an "aliens" twist.
And we sure know that captain whatshisname-badass isn't going to succeed in his endeavor.

The ship's feel seems very reminiscent of ST-Ent, which fits well in the timeline.
But the one thing that broke it for me was the holograms. Not even in ST-TNG were communications between vessels done with holograms. Here, they're everywhere. Screens? we don't need screens! Sure it may reflect our current 2017 view of what "screens" may be in the 23rd century, but it breaks in-show canon. To make matters worse, as is often the case with Hollywood hologram communication, the other parties are always represented by a single person, while the folk where action takes place can participate at will in that holographic conversation.

The 3rd episode felt a bit more like proper Trek... too bad that guy with the foreign name wasn't wearing a red shirt... He should have had some red on him. Redshirtowvsky? was that his name?
Anyway, some sciency thing goes wrong and they go there to investigate. Standard Trek, right?... then they go Weyland-Yutani on us and beam that beast aboard... Don't they know the movie Aliens in the future?
Can't wait to see the episode when that things escapes containment... :yawn:

[Ravenshire]

Poca, you can't make a Trek show in a timeline before the original that won't break in-show canon, unless you want them to build a bridge set with 19" CRTs all over the place. Something that breaks canon far worse is the warp capable shuttles. Still, this show, so far, is living up to the expectations of this old die-hard Trekkie, even if (and maybe, in part, because) it does have a dark wizard as the captain.

Unless a show is really bad, I'll give it two seasons to prove itself. So far, this one has reached levels many don't reach after three seasons, let alone three episodes.