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(October 3, 2017 at 10:56 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Improved mental healthcare, maybe in this case/instance, but I haven't seen that evidence yet. And improved mental healthcare is only one aspect, though it seems to be a very common denominator in mass firearm killings. .
I agree that it's only one aspect, definitely a great need for reform in other areas, but it's a much bigger aspect than people seem to think. I'm not a professional in the mental health field, I just get the pleasure of protecting those that are and working around them but from what I've seen in my area alone mental healthcare is in the shitter. Scratch that, it aspires to be in the shitter.
I know that my experience doesn't shape reality but it's like this for most of the states not just here.
Public mental health care, if not in the shitter, seems close. Private mental health care, depends on your insurance and/or the depth of your wallet. (Anecdote from personal experience with others under public coverage, and myself under private/self-pay.)
It seems to me that damn near every aspect of mass violence is under-addressed.
Cue the handwringing, "this is the price of freedom", and inaction.
(October 3, 2017 at 11:27 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(October 3, 2017 at 11:22 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You're surprised? The Crusades get brought up here every single time another attack that was not motivated by Christianity happens lol.
And they are sooo five minutes ago.
Shut up you Dirty Harry wannabe
KILL ALL FIREARM OWNERS! AND CATHOLICS! (Note to self, whatever you do, dont hit "Post Reply".)
Oh shit, I left my kitten on the grill too long, welp, there goes my lunch.
October 3, 2017 at 11:52 am (This post was last modified: October 3, 2017 at 11:54 am by Minimalist.)
Let's see what Church "father" Tertullian has to say.
Quote:One can imagine the satisfaction of the Crusader mowing down innocent citizens of Muslim (or Christian) towns, or of the Inquisitor calmly torturing a heretic or witch while patiently transcribing every moan and scream of the victim, and experiencing the pleasure of Church father Tertullian, picturing his adversaries in hell:
How shall I admire, how laugh, how rejoice, how exult, when I behold so many proud monarchs, and fancied gods, groaning in the lowest abyss of darkness; so many magistrates who persecuted the name of the Lord, liquefying in fiercer fires than they ever kindled against the Christians; so many sage philosophers blushing in red hot flames with their deluded scholars; so many celebrated poets trembling before the tribunal, not of Minos, but of Christ; so many tragedians, more tuneful in the expression of their suffering.
If I was to take a guess at this moment in time I'm going to go with psychopatic tendencies along with wanting to be famous.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
You've never heard of the "Army of God"?
Aug 5, 2012 Wade Michael Page used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 6 people in a Sikh temple. He was a christian white supremacist who thought Sikhs were Muslims.
May 31, 2009 Scott Roeder -Xtian right anti-abortion terrorist - murdered Dr. George Tiller. Tiller was shot 5 times by Xtian right terrorist Shelly Shannon in 1993, but had survived that attack. Ann Coulter made a joke about Tiller's murder, calling it "termination in the 3rd trimester".
July 27, 2008 Xtian Right Jim David Adkisson killed two and injured 7 by walking into a Unitarian church while they were rehearsing a children's play. He hated liberals and thought that the Unitarians weren't real xtians.
July 29, 1994 Paul Jennings Hill, a member of the Army of God, a known Xtian terrorist group, murdered Dr. John Britton and his bodygaurd, James Barrett. He declared he was doing God's work and is now called a martyr by Army of God members.
July 27, 1996. Eric Rudolph bombed a lesbian bar and an abortion clinic before carrying out the Olympic Park bombinb during the summer Olympics. That bomb killed one and wounded 111 people. The Army of God also reveres him as a martyr.
October 23, 1998. James Charles Kopp, radical xtian terrorist and another Army of God hero, murdered Dr. Barnett Slepian.
1994, John C. Salvi murdered 2 Planned Parenthood receptionists and wounded several other individuals, calling them "infidels who got what they deserved".
November 2015, Robert Lewis Dear killed three at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood. He was an evangelistic xtian who admired the Army of God. He was obsessed with the rapture.
-- And this is just scratching the surface. It doesn't mention the current hate groups focused primarily on Muslims, like the Covenant, the Sword, or the Arm of the Lord.
The KKK is still going strong, tho' not as visible as they used to be. Most of their members are xtian. Most Aryan Nation and Skinhead groups are xtian.
Anyone who doesn't think that the xtian church hasn't been responsible for genocides in the past, pogroms, crusades, inquisitions, murder, and torture hasn't studied history.
Of all the attacks and murders that happen each year, you pulled out a handful from the past few decades to prove that Christianity is a primary motive, equating it to Islam? Less time ago than any of that, an atheist shot up a church, and another one killed 2 (or was it 3?) Muslim kids in a parking lot. The Columbine kids were atheist and shot a girl in the face after she admitted to believing in God. The atheist Soviet Union murdered millions of religious folks less than 100 years ago. You see, I can play this game too, and if i wanted to i could scour google and find more... those are just off the top of my head. My point is, you can find instances of people from all groups using their ideology to do awful things, including Christianity. But when attacks like these happen, no one thinks "oh it was probably motivated by Christianity", because it very very seldom is. Calling it a "primary motive" for random civilian attacks now a days is inacurate and uncalled for, especially putting it side by side with Islam. Im not a fan of Bill Maher, but he talks about this fairly often. Equating the 2 IS dishonest.
I actually agree with you, mostly. "Wrong thinking" of various types is the problem. There is a tendency, right now, to blame terrorism on Muslims - mostly due to ISIS - which is incorrect. Most of the acts of terrorism in the US in the past decades have been committed by white males, most of those were Christian. But because most of the US is Christian, their religion wasn't even considered to be part of their problem - they were just insane loners. Violent Muslims and violent Christians, though, all tend to be of a similar stripe - fundamentalists who take their Holy Book (Koran or Bible) literally. Their ideology comes from a literal reading of their holy book. Christians don't want to own up to the fact that for centuries, the Church made ISIS look like 8-year-olds playing "gang member when I grow up". Christ's words "I come not to bring peace but a sword" have been throughout history, and still are a literal call to arms for many.
My Catholic friends don't want to think about the bad old days. Things are better now. They like to sing about "we are the light of the world". I get that.
But equating the two is not dishonest, because a slavish literal following of the Bible OR the Koran leads people to slaughter unbelievers. God orders it. THAT's a problem.
Other problems? Violence in video games. Training young men (mostly) that killing is a game. Violence in movies. Did you see John Wick? Good movie, but wow. Huge body count because a thug stole his car and killed his dog. Loner, unstable, angry young men without sufficient counseling or support systems.
There are lots of issues here that need to be addressed. And I happen to think religion tops the list.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(October 3, 2017 at 9:43 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That city is used not because of racial composition, but because it has such a high rate of firearms crimes despite having some of the strictest local gun-control laws in America.
Um no, that is certainly the excuse used yes, but it is still dog whistle bullshit for assholes like 45 to call black NFL players "sons of bitches".
But we can go there if you wish. It isn't a matter of the laws being strict, it is a matter of not having a nationwide standard. Of course the laws wont work because guns don't magically stop working in transport.
It still amounts to access. Not legal vs illegal.
This is simply more bullshit the nutters use to make excuses to do nothing. So when they cant flat out sell bigotry, they make it about states rights.
And again, I live in the sticks and I hear stories in NC in a rural area, about gun violence here too. The only reason you hear about more in the city is because it has a bigger population. It isn't a mater of strict, it is a matter of a flooded market nationwide.
Un, no. You can speculate all you you wish about the motivations of people you don't know. Unlike you, I have numbers and laws supporting my point.
Take your tired, angry appeals to emotions and shove 'em. You're entitled to your own opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts. And you certainly should shitcan the snark when you don't even have a single bit of support for your feelz.
