(October 3, 2017 at 10:20 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: What would Chicago be like with NO gun control laws?

What would Washington D.C.'s Capital building look like if guns were allowed? Fuck it, lets allow guns on airplanes too.

We just saw how easy it is to murder other human beings from a distance. It isn't a matter of urban, suburban, or rural. It should not be about black vs white. It should not be about left vs right. It should not be blacks vs cops or cops vs blacks or fake patriots fearing tyranny. 

It should be about reducing all firearm related deaths, suicide, domestic violence, accidental, mentally ill, biker gang and urban gang. IT SHOULD BE about reducing all firearm deaths in both blue and red states. It is not, because the industry profits off of fear and the violence sells firearms.

The industry and it's blood lobby NRA are like Daffy Duck whom pits the beagle against Foghorn by selling them both booby traps then points to the other and say, "You better watch out for them."

MONEY is why.

(October 3, 2017 at 10:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Can't remember where I saw it, but someone summed it up as "This isn't about gun control that we refuse to enact, it's about mental healthcare that we refuse to fund."

Improved mental healthcare, maybe in this case/instance, but I haven't seen that evidence yet. And improved mental healthcare is only one aspect, though it seems to be a very common denominator in mass firearm killings. . 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012...full-data/

Down load the spreadsheet.

(October 3, 2017 at 10:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Can't remember where I saw it, but someone summed it up as "This isn't about gun control that we refuse to enact, it's about mental healthcare that we refuse to fund."

It's about both.

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(October 3, 2017 at 10:44 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 3, 2017 at 10:20 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: What would Chicago be like with NO gun control laws?

What would Washington D.C.'s Capital building look like if guns were allowed? Fuck it, lets allow guns on airplanes too.

Seriously, is everything anybody posts an entree to an attack for you?

(October 3, 2017 at 10:59 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(October 3, 2017 at 10:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Can't remember where I saw it, but someone summed it up as "This isn't about gun control that we refuse to enact, it's about mental healthcare that we refuse to fund."

It's about both.

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(October 3, 2017 at 10:44 am)Brian37 Wrote: What would Washington D.C.'s Capital building look like if guns were allowed? Fuck it, lets allow guns on airplanes too.

Seriously, is everything anybody posts an entree to an attack for you?

Huh? 

Look dude, I have no problem with you. I've had a long history of reading your posts on this issue. I see Chicago brought up, not just on this website, but everywhere, and it to me is nothing but a distraction to me. 

You are sane. I was merely tired of one city being mentioned when we have a nationwide problem. And again, I live in the sticks and I hear about firearm violence out here too.

I like you. The issue is the false argument of bringing up Chicago.

Attack me for ABBA ok?

You went well wide of my point, showing you didn't catch it. If Chicago is this bad with those laws, what would it be like with none.

(October 3, 2017 at 10:56 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 3, 2017 at 10:41 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Can't remember where I saw it, but someone summed it up as "This isn't about gun control that we refuse to enact, it's about mental healthcare that we refuse to fund."

Improved mental healthcare, maybe in this case/instance, but I haven't seen that evidence yet. And improved mental healthcare is only one aspect, though it seems to be a very common denominator in mass firearm killings. . 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012...full-data/

Down load the spreadsheet.

I agree that it's only one aspect, definitely a great need for reform in other areas, but it's a much bigger aspect than people seem to think. I'm not a professional in the mental health field, I just get the pleasure of protecting those that are and working around them but from what I've seen in my area alone mental healthcare is in the shitter. Scratch that, it aspires to be in the shitter.

I know that my experience doesn't shape reality but it's like this for most of the states not just here.

(October 2, 2017 at 9:27 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(October 2, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think Christianity is often a motive for mass shootings...

You've never heard of the "Army of God"?  
Aug 5, 2012  Wade Michael Page used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 6 people in a Sikh temple.  He was a christian white supremacist who thought Sikhs were Muslims.
May 31, 2009  Scott Roeder -Xtian right anti-abortion terrorist - murdered Dr. George Tiller.  Tiller was shot 5 times by Xtian right terrorist Shelly Shannon in 1993, but had survived that attack.  Ann Coulter made a joke about Tiller's murder, calling it "termination in the 3rd trimester".
July 27, 2008  Xtian Right Jim David Adkisson killed two and injured 7 by walking into a Unitarian church while they were rehearsing a children's play.  He hated liberals and thought that the Unitarians weren't real xtians.  
July 29, 1994  Paul Jennings Hill, a member of the Army of God, a known Xtian terrorist group, murdered Dr. John Britton and his bodygaurd, James Barrett.  He declared he was doing God's work and is now called a martyr by Army of God members.
July 27, 1996.  Eric Rudolph bombed a lesbian bar and an abortion clinic before carrying out the Olympic Park bombinb during the summer Olympics. That bomb killed one and wounded 111 people.  The Army of God also reveres him as a martyr.
October 23, 1998.  James Charles Kopp, radical xtian terrorist and another Army of God hero, murdered Dr. Barnett Slepian.  
1994, John C. Salvi murdered 2 Planned Parenthood receptionists and wounded several other individuals, calling them "infidels who got what they deserved".
November 2015, Robert Lewis Dear killed three at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood.  He was an evangelistic xtian who admired the Army of God.  He was obsessed with the rapture.

-- And this is just scratching the surface.  It doesn't mention the current hate groups focused primarily on Muslims, like the Covenant, the Sword, or the Arm of the Lord.
The KKK is still going strong, tho' not as visible as they used to be.  Most of their members are xtian.  Most Aryan Nation and Skinhead groups are xtian.
Anyone who doesn't think that the xtian church hasn't been responsible for genocides in the past, pogroms, crusades, inquisitions, murder, and torture hasn't studied history.

Of all the attacks and murders that happen each year, you pulled out a handful from the past few decades to prove that Christianity is a primary motive, equating it to Islam? Less time ago than any of that, an atheist shot up a church, and another one killed 2 (or was it 3?) Muslim kids in a parking lot. The Columbine kids were atheist and shot a girl in the face after she admitted to believing in God. The atheist Soviet Union murdered millions of religious folks less than 100 years ago. You see, I can play this game too, and if i wanted to i could scour google and find more... those are just off the top of my head. My point is, you can find instances of people from all groups using their ideology to do awful things, including Christianity. But when attacks like these happen, no one thinks "oh it was probably motivated by Christianity", because it very very seldom is. Calling it a "primary motive" for random civilian attacks now a days is inacurate and uncalled for, especially putting it side by side with Islam. Im not a fan of Bill Maher, but he talks about this fairly often. Equating the 2 IS dishonest.

Anything can and, if useful, will be used as an excuse for slaughtering people. Personal bias doesn't change this.

(October 3, 2017 at 11:11 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You went well wide of my point, showing you didn't catch it. If Chicago is this bad with those laws, what would it be like with none.

Ok, now I gotcha. So it seems we are on the same page here. 

My point is still the same though. Chicago gets brought up all over social media.

My point is it is not the laws, it is ease of access. 

Colombian Drug Lord in Scareface, "I like you Tony, there is no lying in you."

The same can be said for the Ayn Rand Libertarians "Less government'

Can you imagine if we only had 13 representatives now based on the numbers when the ink was dry on the constitution?


Our laws are not perfect, but do nothing and sell more is not a solution and Chicago does not constitute the entire country.


Now, roll up your newspaper and wrap me over the nose.

(October 2, 2017 at 8:00 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(October 2, 2017 at 7:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Read up on the Crusades.

How in the world is that relevant

You're surprised? The Crusades get brought up here every single time another attack that was not motivated by Christianity happens lol.