Reasoning showing homosexuality is evil.

[Edwardo Piet]

Anyone else experiencing a great deal of difficulty making sense of what MK is saying . . .

. . . because he sounds so fucking muffled when he talks with that great big cock in his mouth, I swear is it just me?

[Ravenshire]

I don't want any bullshit scripture; what is your personal reason for disliking homosexuality?

There are many, but we have to first talk about what it means to be a human...there is two types of humans: "Man" and "Woman"

How does your pathetic little bigoted world explain hermaphrodites, or intersexed people? They are biologically neither male nor female, but some combination of both. You seem to think that all people have clearly delineated gender and clearly delineated sexual identity. The truth is we all land on a scale for both gender and sexual orientation.

You have a very narrow view of the world because of the goat fuckers you've been listening to. The sad part is, I know there's a better person hidden inside, buried under the bigotry and dogma. Come out of the darkness and into the light of the 21st century before it's too lake MK!

[AFTT47]

First I argue, if free-will is a factor, we all know it would be wrong to give in and change our nature we are originated upon.

I disagree with this entirely. There are many things in our nature that are undesirable. An obvious one is our natural tendency toward tribalism. There is an instinct to stay with your group and be wary of outsiders. That is a genetic trait which served us well when we were primitive. Fear of outsiders would keep you alive. But it is counterproductive in modern society. It leads to racism among other things. It is desirable to use intellect to override that nature. There are many more examples.

In the case of sexual preference, we have very little to no ability to override that but if we did, it would irrelevant to society because homosexuality causes no harm. The fear that a large percentage of the population would become homosexual even if they could is ridiculous!

[Edwardo Piet]

1) We are to forge who we are according to what is more upright and more beautiful inwardly.
2) We aren't to forfeit our willpower and control to chaos.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

It doesn't disprove the fact that if you love sucking on cock then enjoy, MK, enjoy. Nothing to feel guilty about.

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You have a very narrow view of the world because of the goat fuckers you've been listening to.

And as far as MK is concerned there's nothing wrong with him continuing to fuck goats as long as it has a vagina.

Makes perfect sense.

[Joods]

This is false.

The reason why there is a debate is purely because there's two opposing claims.  The debate is whether or not sexuality is a choice.

No, it would have been more on the lines "it is not wrong if there is free-will or not free-will involved for certain, so why does it matter if free-will is involved in choice or not" and if people really felt strongly that if it is done by free-will as a factor, then it would not be evil, people would not care for the free-will factor at all. 

The very fact they resort to making it an exception to free-will, shows they know it is wrong if free-will is a major factor and it comes down to a choice of the state of the person (even if a very long choice with many psychological factors).

And the question is really, how and why we know this. It is our knowledge of good and evil, and everything possible of free-will to choose and is evil, is in fact really actually possible for it to choose.

That is why I spoke about the story of people of Lut in Quran, because it puts into the worse context. A context where people were choosing this to the extent the society men became lustful towards men instead of women and began to justify other crimes.

I know no one accepts this story as probable or even historically possible, but it is no doubt philosophically possible.   So the sin shown philosophically, going back the premises of what is rationally possible of free-will to do of evil, is in fact actually possible of free-will to do of evil.

I hope for an honest discussion but won't hold my breath!

How's this for honesty:

Just because your Quran, which was written by men hailing from one small portion of the planet, doesn't like two people of the same sex, having an intimate, sexual relationship, doesn't make it wrong. 

Do some research on Native American Indians. They had same sex couples in their tribes all the time. It was as acceptable as two people of the opposite sex being in a relationship. 

Different parts of the world. And the NAI didn't know your shit book or your shit god even existed. Homosexuality isn't wrong. Loving who you want to love isn't wrong. What's wrong is someone else dictating who other people are supposed to or allowed to love simply because said dictator is such a homophobic fucking asshole that he can't stand seeing two men or two women kiss. So - the dictator and his followers invent some stupid rules to outcast a certain group of people just because they can. 

Stop being ignorant for once in your life and learn to accept that your stupid little book and your stupid little god are absolutely wrong.

[Crimsonplague83]

MK, you can take your views and shove them up your ass. We are people and we have the right to love who we love. The only reason i can see why you hate gays and think its evil is because you have your own hand up your ass and like it. You and your mindset are one of the main reasons why so many teens run away or kill themself. All they can see it the hate that fuck heads like you give off. So again fuck you.

[Joods]

Newsflash MK:

Your religion and your religious beliefs hurt people. Plain and simple. And you don't seem to give one shit about that - despite the fact that being a loving and decent human being is what your god supposedly wants from you.

Being homophobic and making unfounded and negative remarks about gay people is unjustified. This is the sort of talk that affects my son and his boyfriend. This is the sort of narrow minded thinking that causes continued hatred towards a group of people who aren't asking for anything other than to have the same rights that heterosexual couples enjoy. And I think they should get whatever they want if a man and a woman can have certain rights, so can same sex couples.

Of course all of these stupid religions and their sheeple seem to ascribe to the stupid notion that anything that makes them and their little group of minions uncomfortable, shouldn't be allowed. And they have no problems infiltrating governments and getting laws passed in order to see those who are different from them, suffer.

Religion Poisons Everything.

Let me just add that I have ALWAYS been supportive of the LGBT community. My Lamaze coach from 22 years ago was the Editor of the BGP.

[Mystic]

Loving who you want to love isn't wrong. 

Loving them as a friend or brother in humanity or faith is not wrong. Loving who you want sexually is wrong. For example, your siblings, your mother, your father, being attracted to them sexually is wrong, acting on such feelings is even worse.

So this premise is faulty, but I know you had that exception in mind, so I won't be petty and do away with your overall statement with exceptions.

To love who we want is wrong in many instances. Loving a married person is wrong.  Acting on it to the extent we break it, is even worse.

And loving people who are murderers or racist is also wrong. It is not enough to be sexually attracted to them, but they must be of good moral character.

And I can keep going. 

But this might seem all irrelevant but is it?  I think in general men are meant for women and women are for men, and even the societies who had minorities doing the opposite, the majority was not choosing to bisexual and indifferent to who they are attracted to.

If it is not a choice, yes, it's not evil, but if it is a choice, then why do most humans not choose to be bisexual.

And the people social engineering society, don't even believe it is not a choice even though that is what they teach,  they in fact believe the best and complete form of love is to love both men and women sexually equally.

But most people don't embrace that and find love to the same degrading or repuslive. Even secular people who defend gay people will talk about sex with same gender in a degrading way often and degrading tone.  Or will make mockery and jokes about it.

This is has to tell you a lot. You are seeing what is clearly in front of you.


There is another argument I will make, if it was good to love same gender sexually for some humans, it would be good for all humans to do so. It is not good for all humans to do so, therefore it is not good for any humans to do so.

In fact, this is a strong argument though it may seem silly. We apply to almost all morals, and there maybe exceptions, but almost all morals, works in the way that we inspire and take example of one another.

If both were beautiful, and one was not repulsive, disgusting, and ugly,   humanity would on the most part choose to be bisexual.

And the illuminati, that is what they believe human enlightened society will be. They will be bisexual and practice sexuality love in equal manner to both. And if the premises you are arguing are true, that both are beautiful or equally honorable or good, then we should embrace both. But we know should not now, generations immersed in more illusions of darkness and desires and ignorance, I don't know what they will decide.

Let us hope - regardless of what the the truth is - humans begin to reflect sincerely and not just through parroting things without insight and reflection.

[Edwardo Piet]

Let me just add that I have ALWAYS been supportive of the LGBT community.

Unfortunately I have to admit that I can't say the same for myself. When I was a young adolescent... like 12-14 I was rather homophobic after my own homophobic father drummed into me the idea that homosexuality was 'unnatural' and I just took that on faith as 'bad' like a load of the other horrid shit he used to brainwash me with. I accpeted it unquestionably without even thinking about it (plus when you have a manipulative and abusive father from a young age they can pretty much convince you that the definition of true is "What dad says.")

I was young, ignorant, and so brainwashed that I scarcely even had any opinions of my own (my father was also narcissistic and sociopathic and presumably still is) . . . but thankfully people can change.

But I won't hold my breath waiting for MK to change any time soon, or ever, for the better though. I haven't been homophobic since I was about 15. I'm now 29. And if anything MK seems to have only gotten worse (he probably engaged in some gay sex recently and hated himself for it because magic book).

EDIT: I will add however that I have never in my life hurt or said anything hostile or homophobic to a gay person even when I was around 12-14. My own homophobia at the time only manifested in the form of basically just repeating the shit my dad said back to my dad in our own private family home.

[Mystic]

Let me just add that I have ALWAYS been supportive of the LGBT community.

Unfortunately I have to admit that I can't say the same for myself. When I was a young adolescent... like 12-14 I was rather homophobic after my own homophobic father drummed into me the idea that homosexuality was 'unnatural' and I just took that on faith as 'bad' like a load of the other horrid shit he used to brainwash me with. I accpeted it unquestionably without even thinking about it (plus when you have a manipulative and abusive father from a young age they can pretty much convince you that the definition of true is "What dad says.")

I was young, ignorant, and so brainwashed that I scarcely even had any opinions of my own (my father was also narcissistic and sociopathic and presumably still is) . . . but thankfully people can change.

But I won't hold my breath waiting for MK to change any time soon, or ever, for the better though. I haven't been homophobic since I was about 15. I'm now 29. And if anything MK seems to have only gotten worse (he probably engaged in some gay sex recently and hated himself for it because magic book).

Rich talk about people changing their beliefs for a guy who always argues humans can never choose their beliefs.

Oh man.... how you guys are constantly contradicting yourselves.