Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?

[Fake Messiah]

So, you think slavery is terrible? You're right, and that's why it was used in judgment.

Yeah people who didn't hear and believe in fucking YHVH were judged. Or what about when god made Hagar to be sex slave to Abram and his wife and when she tried to escape he sent angel to bring her back and curse her and her child. So god judged her because she was a woman. Nice logic fuck face.

[Abaddon_ire]

Slavery of foreigners by Israel was a judgment by God. As you know, in some instances where people were particularly sinful, all were put to death. In some instances slaves were taken. If they hadn't, they would have been killed. When you're complaining about Israel being allowed to have slaves, you're basically complaining about God's judgment. 

The law didn't allow slavery as in the US. It specifically said that those who kidnapped people and sold them as slaves were to be put to death.

Hebrews themselves could become slaves through debt, but that was temporary and was more like indentured servitude to pay off the debt.

Note that God punished Egypt for unjustly enslaving Israel. But, when Israel sinned, God actually put them into slavery in Babylonia in judgment.

So, you think slavery is terrible? You're right, and that's why it was used in judgment.

ORLY? Slavery is moral then according to your belief. 

How about beating those slaves, then?

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The bible says exactly that involuntary slavery is moral. God even commands it and provides instruction for how it should be performed.

Regulating a universal cultural institution (shared by every nation in the region and probably on earth) is not the same as declaring it moral. You are inferring it--which is not the same as, well, either thing you said above.

Nope. I am asking you directly if you accept that slavery is moral as is claimed in the bible, and you are attempting to divert. Don't do that. It is obvious that you do.

[John V]

Yeah people who didn't hear and believe in fucking YHVH were judged.

They were judged because they sacrificed their children to a false god by throwing them into a fire.

Or what about when god made Hagar to be sex slave to Abram and his wife and when she tried to escape he sent angel to bring her back and curse her and her child.

You might want to read the passages on Hagar one more time, Sparky.

[Abaddon_ire]

Yeah people who didn't hear and believe in fucking YHVH were judged.

They were judged because they sacrificed their children to a false god by throwing them into a fire.

Or what about when god made Hagar to be sex slave to Abram and his wife and when she tried to escape he sent angel to bring her back and curse her and her child.

You might want to read the passages on Hagar one more time, Sparky.

And your apologetic for the human sacrifice is what exactly?

[John V]

And your apologetic for the human sacrifice is what exactly?

Nothing. I agree that people who throw babies into a fire should be judged.

[SteveII]

Slavery of foreigners by Israel was a judgment by God. As you know, in some instances where people were particularly sinful, all were put to death. In some instances slaves were taken. If they hadn't, they would have been killed. When you're complaining about Israel being allowed to have slaves, you're basically complaining about God's judgment. 

The law didn't allow slavery as in the US. It specifically said that those who kidnapped people and sold them as slaves were to be put to death.

Hebrews themselves could become slaves through debt, but that was temporary and was more like indentured servitude to pay off the debt.

Note that God punished Egypt for unjustly enslaving Israel. But, when Israel sinned, God actually put them into slavery in Babylonia in judgment.

So, you think slavery is terrible? You're right, and that's why it was used in judgment.

ORLY? Slavery is moral then according to your belief. 

How about beating those slaves, then?

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Regulating a universal cultural institution (shared by every nation in the region and probably on earth) is not the same as declaring it moral. You are inferring it--which is not the same as, well, either thing you said above.

Nope. I am asking you directly if you accept that slavery is moral as is claimed in the bible, and you are attempting to divert. Don't do that. It is obvious that you do.

Nope. I think humans should not enslave other people against their will. That is immoral.

[possibletarian]

Could be that God is calling out to you and if you're to actually become a Christian in the way you believe you will no matter how much you fight it.

Or perhaps much more likely there is no god.

Don't be ridiculous, I told you it was God's desire not His will that all would be saved. If God were to reveal Himself before man you would have no choice but to believe, the effect upon you would be the same as it was on Moses.

And ?

My ultimate will for my woodworking projects do not necessarily match my desire for a piece, why would you expect God to be different.

I would expect no different if god were a human no, but you claim a perfect all knowing god.  If god's will is to be done ultimately, is it such a big stretch to conclude that gods ultimate will is to see some go to hell and some to heaven.  Unless of course god cannot guarantee his will will be done perhaps? or more likely there simply is no god.

Your desire is God's will and if you continue you will have chosen your own special hell. God doesn't choose your destination, He does enforce your choice, so if you do not change you should be preparing yourself for a life eternal of torment, a torment worse that an everlasting fire. Gods not so puny as you say, He will make sure you have your choice and that you will not be able to change if you continue down this path of destruction.

And here we go again, wrath and hell fire i sincerely hope you don't talk to children like that.

 

Interesting finish to your above sentence, seems to me you're at a loss for words or an argument against the Bible.

You are correct I am, in a book where you have talking snakes, people getting strength from long hair, talking donkeys, stoning of people for rubbing sticks together on a Sabbath, detailed instructions on how you should or should not beat a slave, people walking on water and flying on clouds, the sun stopping in the sky, you are absolutely right, I am at a loss.

Of coarse I can't prove everything, if you thought that was a possibility you wouldn't have made the statement you did. Faith comes first to those who do not know God, later God gives His children of inheritance knowledge the truth of scriptures, I have a knowledge you can't understand. How do I know this, you can't understand the simplest things of scripture.

The problem being with what you call faith is that it cannot be distinguished from being suckered.

Those who are so closed minded have no reason to accept what truths have been presented to them.

On the contrary, if what you say is true then it's the most important thing people have heard, it's just that the stories have no evidence or real reason to believe them, your juvenile threats aside.

There is a sensible answer about this very thing, God knows that man can't make a heart change in non believers so He is the One who will bring the proof to those who desire Him to change them. Simple really, for a bunch that's suppose to be so logical you all sure suspend it when it come to your eternal life, sad really.

Ermm like i said there is no way to tell the difference between faith and accepting fantasy, there really is no reason to believe your myths above other fantastic myths claimed.

 God says that only a fool will say there is no God, you have a label given to you by your creator, you still have a chance to change that or you can carry it into eternity and the worse hell that you can't even begin to imagine, forget the fire it will be much worse.

Goodness me we really are on fire with the wrath of god today, god said nothing there is no evidence of a god. and yes believer would have to write that, just like all other cults and religions write something similar about their god(s)

Besides, you say it about every other god, Allah will be most displeased and promises a similar fate

[Astreja]

Do you disagree that God sent Israel into Canaan in part in judgment of those people?

Yes, I disagree, on two counts.  First of all, I believe that your god is a fictional being incapable of sending anyone anywhere.  Secondly, I believe that the bad reputation of the Canaanite people -- The Phoenicians, in the northeast Mediterranean -- was largely fabricated to provide the pretext for an invasion.

Do you disagree that otherwise the law prohibited capturing people and putting them into slavery?

See above.  The only "law" in effect seemed to be "Don't enslave people from your own tribe.  Everyone else is fair game."

Do you disagree that the Babylonian captivity was a judgment on Israel?

Yes, I disagree.  I think the so-called "judgment" was just an excuse the priests gave the people to explain their defeat and capture.  They were overrun by superior forces and their god didn't bail them out; therefore, reasoned the priests, their god must be angry with them.

Just excuses for the inexcusable.

[LadyForCamus]

I always get a kick out of watching theists desperately try to defend the morally reprehensible acts and instructions by god in the Bible.

If slavery is so immoral, why isn't there a commandment: "thou shalt not own another human being as property?" I mean, he had ten to work with and he wasted the first three on pumping up his ego.

Also conspicuously missing are:

"Thou shalt not rape", and, "Women are autonomous human beings, and shall be treated as such."

Seems like Yahweh could have used a workshop on prioritizing. 😉

[KevinM1]

I can’t wait for the inevitable comparison of slavery to employment. That’s always a hoot.