How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

[Ravenshire]

It is upon God to show the way.

Well, it's doing a really piss-poor job.

[Greatest I am]

Dude, you sound like MK, or little rik. Jeez.

Alright guys we have an infinite word salad.

Thanks for your comment.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

Regards
DL

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True. I was an atheist and did not even have a name for God when I had my apotheosis.

Seeking seemed to be enough without naming what I was seeking.

The ancients just used father which I guess is why Freud and Jung chose Father Complex for our internal and instinctual inner voice.

Regards
DL

See, if what you're calling God is analogous to what Freud and Jung thought was behind a father complex, then you're not communicating very clearly.  I think something like that is the best way to understand why god belief is widespread and why religion adds something people value to their lives.  That would make it more than a 'mistake' or an 'illusion', but it doesn't make it an external agent or creator of anything apart from our own minds.

Do you think 'god' is something intrapersonal as a product of the psyche or do you think it is something external with an existence apart from human beings?

Please allow me to be lazy. I answered that elsewhere just now and I will put it below.

I gave this poster the reply after giving him this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZg1ZflpJs


Thoreauvian Wrote:  

God, regardless of how one describes that word, is whatever ideal one hold in ones mind.

Most people are too dense to recognize that fact.

You're right. I'm so dense that I go by dictionary definitions.


According to Google:
God:
1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.


Greatest I am replied---

1. Where do you store your subjective morals if not in your mind?

2. Where does worship start if not in your mind?

The representation of the only ideal or God you can know is in your mind.

Everyone's ideal or God is a mental construct and can be called an ideology.

What is your ideal or ideology or God? Atheism.

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Whateverist

Gnostic Christian do not hold any supernatural beliefs. I think those who do are going into intellectual dissonance.

Stupid id as stupid does.

Regards
DL

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Correct.

So were you just purposely wasting time with the question?

No.

Do you not recognize how much damage religions have done and continue to do to society?

Should we not fight the supernatural beliefs that are the bedrock of that harm? 

 Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
 
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
 
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
 

 

 
Regards
DL

[Whateverist]

"Gnostic Christian do not hold any supernatural beliefs. I think those who do are going into intellectual dissonance."

Seriously, no supernatural beliefs? I agree that to intellectual dissonance that way leads. [With voice of Yoda you should imagine it read.]


Earlier I asked what "your apotheosis" referred to. Do you feel that you yourself are divine, not such a horrible idea provided you generalize that democratically I suppose.

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It is upon God to show the way.

Well, it's doing a really piss-poor job.

Don't know about you two but I want my money back.  The Wanker.

[Greatest I am]

True. I was an atheist and did not even have a name for God when I had my apotheosis.

Your apotheosis?  Are we using this word in the same way?  Who or what was been raised to divine status, you?

I do not use that part of the definition as that designation can only be given, it cannot be taken to ones self.

Holy is as holy says and does and I am a WIP towards that.

A holy man would likely suffer fools better than I do at present. I have reduced my net bully side quite a bit though.

My passions are hard to control all the time.

Regards
DL

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It is upon God to show the way.

Not for us to choose who represents God or the way nor create a god or the way to him out of our sheer desire in our ignorance.

Suppose none of the Abrahamic faiths are right, still, there would be Messengers, and holy books from God, the question is only about finding that reminder from God of our time.

Not badly put except that you have forgotten that the bible itself, --- perhaps holy words to you but just good advice to me, --- tells you to create a God.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

You seem to think that a genocidal son murderer like Yahweh is somehow good.

You might want to test that idea again for the first time and seek a moral God.

Regards
DL

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It is upon God to show the way.

Not for us to choose who represents God or the way nor create a god or the way to him out of our sheer desire in our ignorance.

Suppose none of the Abrahamic faiths are right, still, there would be Messengers, and holy books from God, the question is only about finding that reminder from God of our time.

And he has not shown himself in a way that can be easily verified. Thus only a slim minority of the Human race even believe in him.

Many wise men have spoken to us throughout the years and they have been listened to as secular law has improved and given better laws than any of the mainstream.

As to your slim minority, have you no9t noted that the believers, or at least those who claim a religious affiliation, outnumber the non-affiliated by quite a margin.

The tipping point is said to be about 2050 and you are rather  ahead in your thinking.

I do wish you were right though.

Regards
DL

[Whateverist]

Your apotheosis?  Are we using this word in the same way?  Who or what was been raised to divine status, you?

I do not use that part of the definition as that designation can only be given, it cannot be taken to ones self.

Holy is as holy says and does and I am a WIP towards that.

A holy man would likely suffer fools better than I do at present. I have reduced my net bully side quite a bit though.

My passions are hard to control all the time.

Regards
DL

You will be mocked for this but I personally think it is better theology to seek to follow Jesus in the sense of transforming your own life than it is to pine for the opportunity to lick God's balls.

[Greatest I am]

"Gnostic Christian do not hold any supernatural beliefs. I think those who do are going into intellectual dissonance."

Seriously, no supernatural beliefs?  I agree that to intellectual dissonance that way leads.  [With voice of Yoda you should imagine it read.]


Earlier I asked what "your apotheosis" referred to.  Do you feel that you yourself are divine, not such a horrible idea provided you generalize that democratically I suppose.

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I have not found anyone that I would label as divine and that would include me.

In Gnostic Christian terms, I would accept the label of Parfait but that designation does not show on which rung of Jacob's ladder I am on and does not mean that I have reached the top. That is why I would use Parfait WIP in modern language.  

Regards
DL

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"Gnostic Christian do not hold any supernatural beliefs. I think those who do are going into intellectual dissonance."

Seriously, no supernatural beliefs?  I agree that to intellectual dissonance that way leads.  [With voice of Yoda you should imagine it read.]


Earlier I asked what "your apotheosis" referred to.  Do you feel that you yourself are divine, not such a horrible idea provided you generalize that democratically I suppose.

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Well, it's doing a really piss-poor job.

Don't know about you two but I want my money back.  The Wanker.

Money back???

Hell, if Yahweh shows his genocidal face near me, I have a bullet with his name on it right here.

Regards
DL

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I do not use that part of the definition as that designation can only be given, it cannot be taken to ones self.

Holy is as holy says and does and I am a WIP towards that.

A holy man would likely suffer fools better than I do at present. I have reduced my net bully side quite a bit though.

My passions are hard to control all the time.

Regards
DL

You will be mocked for this but I personally think it is better theology to seek to follow Jesus in the sense of transforming your own life than it is to pine for the opportunity to lick God's balls.

I agree but there are more than one Jesus that speaks to us through scriptures and I follow the way this one teaches. You will note that the church never quotes this one as they know that he preaches for freedom and not the slavery that Christianity preaches for.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
 
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf...r_embedded

Regards
DL

[Chad32]

Your apotheosis?  Are we using this word in the same way?  Who or what was been raised to divine status, you?

I do not use that part of the definition as that designation can only be given, it cannot be taken to ones self.

Holy is as holy says and does and I am a WIP towards that.

A holy man would likely suffer fools better than I do at present. I have reduced my net bully side quite a bit though.

My passions are hard to control all the time.

Regards
DL

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It is upon God to show the way.

Not for us to choose who represents God or the way nor create a god or the way to him out of our sheer desire in our ignorance.

Suppose none of the Abrahamic faiths are right, still, there would be Messengers, and holy books from God, the question is only about finding that reminder from God of our time.

Not badly put except that you have forgotten that the bible itself, --- perhaps holy words to you but just good advice to me, --- tells you to create a God.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

You seem to think that a genocidal son murderer like Yahweh is somehow good.

You might want to test that idea again for the first time and seek a moral God.

Regards
DL

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And he has not shown himself in a way that can be easily verified. Thus only a slim minority of the Human race even believe in him.

Many wise men have spoken to us throughout the years and they have been listened to as secular law has improved and given better laws than any of the mainstream.

As to your slim minority, have you no9t noted that the believers, or at least those who claim a religious affiliation, outnumber the non-affiliated by quite a margin.

The tipping point is said to be about 2050 and you are rather  ahead in your thinking.

I do wish you were right though.

Regards
DL

Most people believe in something, because we're superstitious by nature. But you can't lump everyone who believes in a god or other supernatural force into one group. The individuals of those groups would generally have an issue if you tried to lump judaism, christianity, and islam under the same banner, even if they all do worship the god of Abraham. If you gather up all the believers in each major religion, you'll find that no one religion makes up over half the population of the world. That's the data I'm going with. Not just people who don't believe in any god.

[Whateverist]

Pro-tip for quoting posts:  If you always choose "new reply" rather than "quick reply" you'll get a lot more options.  Directly above the field where you write your post will be a row of icons beginning with B I U S.  The last icon in that row looks like a sheet of paper with writing on it and a corner folded over.  If you reply to this post and choose that, you will see how this bit has been re-formatted to fix your quotes.  You can also start as if to reply to yourself and choose the same option to see how my fixes compare to what went wrong with your own.  Hope it helps.

"Gnostic Christian do not hold any supernatural beliefs. I think those who do are going into intellectual dissonance."

Seriously, no supernatural beliefs?  I agree that to intellectual dissonance that way leads.  [With voice of Yoda you should imagine it read.]


Earlier I asked what "your apotheosis" referred to.  Do you feel that you yourself are divine, not such a horrible idea provided you generalize that democratically I suppose.

I have not found anyone that I would label as divine and that would include me.

Well you did say you were a WIP which I took to mean a "work in progress" and not a "witless, ignorant pentecostal".

Here you can see how I've hidden the rest the post I quoted from you since I didn't respond to that part.  (I'm only doing that to show you how to hide something, not that there is any need to do so here.)

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In Gnostic Christian terms, I would accept the label of Parfait but that designation does not show on which rung of Jacob's ladder I am on and does not mean that I have reached the top. That is why I would use Parfait WIP in modern language.  

Regards
DL

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Don't know about you two but I want my money back.  The Wanker.

Money back???

Hell, if Yahweh shows his genocidal face near me, I have a bullet with his name on it right here.

Regards
DL

Well and colorfully said.

[Chad32]

That would save some space, probably.

[Whateverist]

You will be mocked for this but I personally think it is better theology to seek to follow Jesus in the sense of transforming your own life than it is to pine for the opportunity to lick God's balls.

I agree but there are more than one Jesus that speaks to us through scriptures and I follow the way this one teaches. You will note that the church never quotes this one as they know that he preaches for freedom and not the slavery that Christianity preaches for.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
 
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf...r_embedded

Regards
DL

Well that is interesting.  So my next probing question would like to flesh out the nature of the experience you have in mind here where I've bolded:

"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

I wonder whether you're expecting something wooey/supernatural or if you interpret it figuratively as alluding to something a zen buddhist might describe as satori.  Or maybe you have something psychological in mind like Jung's integration?