(November 19, 2017 at 2:01 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 19, 2017 at 10:55 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Why?

Do you not recognize that that archetypal Jesus wants to free your mind from both religious and political dogma and make you a free thinking person?

What is wrong with that character trait?

Is the outcome sought of free thinking not what you would want to give your children?

Regards
DL

The "archetypal jesus" is an invention of your own mind, not the character of scripture.  I think it;s amusing that you've somehow transformed jesusism, in your mind, to free thinking.  While that fiction may be, in your re-imagining, some sort of bodhisattva, the jesus of scripture asks questions like- 

"Do bitches even deserve miracles?"

You could have told me you follow the god Bob, who's a super swell dude, and it would've been just that much more coherent.

(November 19, 2017 at 2:10 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(November 19, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: That is not so as no greater being, in terms of a God, has ever appeared to claim that right.

If you feel that way, then people have no reason to justify their God's ways at this point.

(November 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Oh well. I gave you more credit for knowing what I was talking about than I should have.

How droll that you see the Jesus in scriptures as someone other than someone's mental picture.

Regards
DL

(November 17, 2017 at 5:31 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?
 
I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.
 
If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.
 
I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.
 
As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.
 
The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.
 
The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.
 
If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.
 
In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.
 
I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?
 
Regards
DL

(November 19, 2017 at 6:07 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Oh well. I gave you more credit for knowing what I was talking about than I should have.

How droll that you see the Jesus in scriptures as someone other than someone's mental picture.

Regards
DL

I think it's more accurate that you credit yourself with knowledge that amounts to little more than your own retconning opinions.  OFC the character of jesus was a "mental picture" in someone's mind..just not your mind..and not the mental picture you have in mind.  Like I said before...you could call your god Bob and it would be that much more accurate.

(November 19, 2017 at 6:11 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(November 17, 2017 at 5:31 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?
 
I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.
 
If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.
 
I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.
 
As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.
 
The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.
 
The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.
 
If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.
 
In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.
 
I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?
 
Regards
DL

Considering gods as a fantasy might just do the trick.

(November 19, 2017 at 6:26 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:

(November 19, 2017 at 6:07 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I think it's more accurate that you credit yourself with knowledge that amounts to little more than your own retconning opinions.  OFC the character of jesus was a "mental picture" in someone's mind..just not your mind..and not the mental picture you have in mind.  Like I said before...you could call your god Bob and it would be that much more accurate.

True. I was an atheist and did not even have a name for God when I had my apotheosis.

Seeking seemed to be enough without naming what I was seeking.

The ancients just used father which I guess is why Freud and Jung chose Father Complex for our internal and instinctual inner voice.

Regards
DL

(November 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Correct.

(November 19, 2017 at 6:26 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: True. I was an atheist and did not even have a name for God when I had my apotheosis.

(November 19, 2017 at 9:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It is upon God to show the way.

Not for us to choose who represents God or the way nor create a god or the way to him out of our sheer desire in our ignorance.

Suppose none of the Abrahamic faiths are right, still, there would be Messengers, and holy books from God, the question is only about finding that reminder from God of our time.