Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[The Grand Nudger]

Is it honestly so difficult to understand why a group of people would become frustrated when they are told that evidence exists all around them, if only they weren't blind/arrogant/obtuse? When pressed, you claim that this evidence is not like any other evidence. This is special pleading. You have failed to meet the burden of proof, no amount of posturing will change that. You could end this disagreement any moment you wished by providing evidence, or simply ignoring the thread.

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RE: Theology

"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing."-Thomas Paine

No man has ever said it better.

[fr0d0]

Blah blah blah, ignore ignore, bang

Oh so it's several questions now. Is that any less demanding than the answer to life, the universe and everything..?

Dude... I'm sick of repeating myself. If you've ignored what I've said many times here on this forum then why should I waste energy saying it again? It's not like you're picking me up on a point I've made here in this thread... I've already shown the error there. No this is the usual shite you guys come up with when you're beaten. I'm not into that game, and I'm not about to cave in to your bullkying. So FUCK OFF. k?

Want to start a new discussion outside of this loaded witch hunt... be my guest.

Hey Rhythm: physical evidence is everywhere. It's a matter of attribution. You're not blind, arrogant or obtuse not to agree. You just look at it differently.

"When pressed" (how you conclude anything from something you claim I've never said intrigues me, but hey..) I try to explain to you the evidence which relates to metaphysics... which scientism doesn't allow for (Yet in your bio you list a transition from information to a metaphysical position ...also intriguing, if not wholly hypocritical).

BOP to you then is pertaining to the physical or the metaphysical? I'm confused, because in one breath you allow for it, and in the next not.

[The Grand Nudger]

Victim card followed by a lack of evidence. I remain unconvinced. What exactly about my position on god(s) seems metaphysical to you? Fairies exist in fairy tales. What is it you expected? Attribution? Perhaps you'd like to put lightning in Yahwehs hands?

[fr0d0]

I certainly don't try to put lightening anywhere, but I realize that you must dumb this down to fit your straw man. Seriously... good luck with your delusions.

[ElDinero]

Dude... I'm sick of repeating myself. If you've ignored what I've said many times here on this forum then why should I waste energy saying it again? It's not like you're picking me up on a point I've made here in this thread... I've already shown the error there. No this is the usual shite you guys come up with when you're beaten. I'm not into that game, and I'm not about to cave in to your bullkying. So FUCK OFF. k?

I've been here a month. I haven't seen these posts. Link me to them, or give me the gist of it.

I was picking you up on something in this thread originally, way back when. The fact that you come in, make little snide comments and post some gay little picture you found, tell everyone they are close minded and then when asked why, give us all the runaround and finish with a flourish, saying you've already told us why and you're not going to repeat it. So I say again, I have not seen these posts. How am I supposed to judge? And what gives you the right to lump me in with everyone else? The only thing I've seen you do 'many times here on this forum' is post winking smilies and tell people that the evidence is staring them in the face, then refuse to explain where. A bit like in this thread, funnily enough.

The idea that you think we are 'beaten' is laughable. And after several days of chasing your shadow, it has become obvious that you are just an idiot, and you know your reasons for believing in God are fallacious and based on nothing. Certainly not demonstrable proof, which begs the question: Even if it's enough to convince you, why should anyone else believe on that basis? I like evidence for the things I believe in. If you are happy to just believe what your fucking vicar and dickheads like William Lane Craig tell you, you go for it. And if you're happy to just go 'look at the trees' and decide God was responsible, that's your right. But don't expect people with a brain to come along with you, because we realise that the natural world doesn't need your superfluous explanation.

Also, I don't think your lord and saviour would approve of you telling me to fuck off. Forgiveness and loving thy neighbour are apparently the cornerstones of your religion, you fucking cunt.

[Darwinian]

ElDinero and fr0d0: The personal insults stop now. I don't care who started it but if it carries on, I'll finish it for you both. At the risk of repeating myself, attack the post and not the poster!

[ElDinero]

The problem is the poster. You guys have got rules against trolling (I assume), how has this idiot flown under your radar for two years? 7000 posts saying nothing and telling everyone else they're in the wrong.

[Darwinian]

fr0d0 is as fr0d0 does! Although you may get frustrated with his style and his arguments he's not actually breaking the rules, although at the moment he's pushing it, as are you. Once you get more established here you'll understand that arguing with fr0d0 as you are is as futile as trying to explain red to the colour blind.

No offense to either Now, let's all play nicely

[ElDinero]

So coming in to what was a good topic, derailing it, then when asked to explain why, spending post after post avoiding the question and telling everyone else they're close minded over and over again is not against your rules? Wow. What a shitty set of rules. Might want to look to that.

[Darwinian]

If you have a problem with a post(s) then report it. Then the whole staff will make a decision. At the moment I'm just concerned that the 'debate' doesn't get out of hand and turn into a slanging match which brings the whole tone of the forum down.