What are your answers?

[MilesTailsPrower]

The more I read the posts on this website, the more I wonder about the real reason for the hatred a lot of Athiests have for Jesus, the Bible, God and religion.

These are my questions:

1. Are athiests just wounded people, upset that God hasn't shown himself to them in a way they deem acceptable? Meaning, if he suddenly appeared you would believe?

2. Do athiests hate God or do they hate organized religion in general?

3. Why does it seem like athiests hate Jesus more than anyone, what do you think of Jesus?

4. Do any of you know athiests that have converted to another religion, did you feel swayed by their conversion?

5. Are you an athiest based on your research of many of the top religions, or does your athiesm come from a personal experience where you feel that God didn't show up like he should have?

6. Since athiests don't believe in God and dislike when people force God on them, why do they force their negative and hateful opinions on Christians (and other religions) through mockery and verbal assault?

Thank you, in advance, for your responses! It would be great if you could respond to all the questions. I'm speaking to real athiests who respect my desire to understand the feelings behind athiesm. I do not intend to be disrespectful, if I am, please let me know what should be rephrased. Thanks again.

Salty

I noticed an abundance of words misspelled, namely Atheists was spelled wrong. So I rule out that you're not talking to me.

[DeistPaladin]

ohhhhhhh boy. Id love to hear how william lane craig explains the similarities of jesus to all those other gods. I mean truly, william lane craig has all the answers since god hasnt talked to us lately.

It's been my experience arguing with apologists that the similarities to other dying-and-rising gods is actually one of the weakest approaches to question Christianity. The apologist is usually prepared with answers to downplay the similarities and unless you're an expert in all these pagan myths, only the lines of having academically studied them, you won't be ready to debate them in detail.

I've found that the stronger way to go is simply to argue from their favorite source, the Bible. Show how the different account contradict each other and what we know of the actual history of the time. The fact is that even if Jesus is an original myth with only minor similarities to other pagan gods, the Christians have never told a coherent story from the get-go, never mind offered solid proof that any of it happened.

By the time Acharya S arrives on the scene, she's just bouncing around the rubble (to use a military slang term for bombing an already bombed out target). Even if she and others like her are full of crap, the burden remains on the Christians to clean up their story, free it of contradictions, square it with history and then provide proof that it's real. Since they can do none of these things, they lose, with or without pagan similarities.

[Ofwillow]

I have seen that list of the "similarities" of other gods to Jesus, and have yet to see actual sources for any of them. For example, a quick internet search came up multiple sources for Krishna's story, none of which match what was posted here, saying basically the same info:

"Based on scriptural details and astrological calculations the date of Krishna's birth, known as Janmashtami,[43] is 18 July 3228 BCE and departed on 3102 BCE. Krishna belonged to the Vrishni clan of Yadavas from Mathura, and was the eighth son born to the princess Devaki, and her husband Vasudeva.....The stories of Krishna's childhood and youth tell how he became a cow herder...a hunter named Jara mistook his partly visible left foot for a deer and shot an arrow wounding him mortally; while Krishna's soul ascended to heaven, his mortal body was cremated...."

Even a recent news article I saw talked about Indians celebrating Krishna's birthday every year during the summer, not December 25.

Now I don't believe in any of them anyway, but it doesn't help your cause to post unverified info that frankly looks like an email forward that's too good to be true.

And apologies for that being my first post on the forum but that particular list of supposed similarities is a pet peeve of mine...

[bozo]

Salty, some questions for you.
You have stated here that you believe in creation ( I presume you mean God as the creator ).
Do you also believe that the following either happened ( and in the case of miracles and faith healing are still happening ) or exist:-
virgin birth
miracles and faith healing
the resurrection
heaven and hell
satan

[DeistPaladin]

I have seen that list of the "similarities" of other gods to Jesus, and have yet to see actual sources for any of them. For example, a quick internet search came up multiple sources for Krishna's story, none of which match what was posted here, saying basically the same info:

"Based on scriptural details and astrological calculations the date of Krishna's birth, known as Janmashtami,[43] is 18 July 3228 BCE and departed on 3102 BCE. Krishna belonged to the Vrishni clan of Yadavas from Mathura, and was the eighth son born to the princess Devaki, and her husband Vasudeva.....The stories of Krishna's childhood and youth tell how he became a cow herder...a hunter named Jara mistook his partly visible left foot for a deer and shot an arrow wounding him mortally; while Krishna's soul ascended to heaven, his mortal body was cremated...."

Even a recent news article I saw talked about Indians celebrating Krishna's birthday every year during the summer, not December 25.

Now I don't believe in any of them anyway, but it doesn't help your cause to post unverified info that frankly looks like an email forward that's too good to be true.

And apologies for that being my first post on the forum but that particular list of supposed similarities is a pet peeve of mine...

Agreed. There's a lot of dodgy claims on the internet and if we as non-believers go around copying and pasting arguments without fact checking them, we're no better than the creationists who do the same thing.

I used to get all giddy about posting such lists in the past but I now "repent", so to speak. I've found there's enough weaknesses in the Christian claims in the Bible that there's no need to look any further. I say stick to quoting the Bible and watch them tie themselves into knots trying to explain all the contradictions and absurd claims.

Welcome to the forum!

[Ofwillow]

Although, most people will read your list and not bother to go fact-check it so maybe it's a winner anyway?

[Epimethean]

I didn't read the whole thread, but I did see the spelling fun Rhythm had while cross-examining the OP.

I like your style, sir.

[DeistPaladin]

Although, most people will read your list and not bother to go fact-check it so maybe it's a winner anyway?

I know you're joking but again, as professed "skeptics" we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. Practice what we preach and all.

[KichigaiNeko]

Why is it that so many theists seem to think that we are atheist because we hate God. As Ace said, how can we possibly hate something that we don't believe exists?

I could well ask you why it is that you hate Zues, Apollo, Odin, Thor. In fact I will, using the exact same logic that you employ I will assume that you do indeed hate these characters and ask you why?

What I hate is people trying to impose their own ideology arrogantly on others because they believe they are right, no, they know they are right and anyone who does not accept what they accept must be wrong.

I bellieve it is called mental health issues...WHO has been warning against it for years!!

Assertations mostly made by infantile people who have not yet let go of the NEED for "Daddy to watch over them"

[The Grand Nudger]

Hehehe, I'll let you take the high ground Deist. I like to have fun with my food before I eat it. I don't mind getting down in the mud for a knife fight.