Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil

[A Theist]

The IOC disagrees with you, and they have some of the strictest requirements out there (You can't even drink too much coffee).  I know that's an appeal to authority, but I don't see why I should take your word over the IOC's.

But Divinity, CL is very experienced in sports and has analyzed a whole lot more about this subject than any member of the IOC gang. We can't even address her anecdotes and personal feelings even with the good logical arguments that we have put forward. She's that good.

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Lol CL you only hear about trans women dominating women's sports because the news itself want more hits and views so they sensationalize it to make it sound as if there's a threat. You don't really see all the trans women failing because it doesn't sell. Fear sells - the target audience is obvious as well but whatever. It's like you watch a people are awesome video and think oh it's so easy but it is in fact not easy at all because you missed out on the thousands and thousands of times people fail to do something and probably die as well. The mind sees what it wants to see.

Yep, confirmation bias. The human psychology ... how interesting it is ...

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Let's keep his levels as is and say he just identifies as a woman.

Why?

Because you asked me,

"Are we lowering his (or rather, her) testosterone levels to an acceptable level in this scenario? That makes a difference."

No. In this scenario Duran is not lowering "her" testosterone levels. "She's" decided to wait until after "her" Boxing career is over. Roberto, ( now Roberta ), Duran just simply identifies as a woman and is challenging Ronda Rousey for her title. Would that be a fair competition, to pit a much stronger "Roberta" Duran, who held five different championship titles as a man in five different weight classes, against a far outclassed Ronda Rousey? You're saying it makes a difference? Why? "She" was born male but identifies as a female. Wouldn't it be bigoted to keep "Roberta" from competing against other female fighters?

[Edwardo Piet]

But being in a team with them instead of doing everything seperately allowed me to see and appreciate how much more naturally athletic amd strong men are. It's pretty sexy actually.

As a weedy nerd who never does sports, gym or even exercise I am massively offended.

...unless masturbation counts as exercise.

[Catholic_Lady]

But being in a team with them instead of doing everything seperately allowed me to see and appreciate how much more naturally athletic amd strong men are. It's pretty sexy actually.

As a weedy nerd who never does sports, gym or even exercise I am massively offended.

...unless masturbation counts as exercise.

I guarantee it if you started training you'd be faster than me within a couple of months at most lol.

[Edwardo Piet]

As a weedy nerd who never does sports, gym or even exercise I am massively offended.

...unless masturbation counts as exercise.

I guarantee it if you started training you'd be faster than me within a couple of months at most lol.

But I train several times a day already. I should be really really good at it by now.

Oh wait you weren't talking about the masturbation part.

[Amarok]

I guarantee it if you started training you'd be faster than me within a couple of months at most lol

I running probably not . in diddling he's almost olympic material 

[GrandizerII]

But Divinity, CL is very experienced in sports and has analyzed a whole lot more about this subject than any member of the IOC gang. We can't even address her anecdotes and personal feelings even with the good logical arguments that we have put forward. She's that good.

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Yep, confirmation bias. The human psychology ... how interesting it is ...

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Why?

Because you asked me,  

"Are we lowering his (or rather, her) testosterone levels to an acceptable level in this scenario? That makes a difference."

No. In this scenario Duran is not lowering "her" testosterone levels. "She's" decided to wait until after "her" Boxing career is over. Roberto, ( now Roberta ), Duran just simply identifies as a woman and is challenging Ronda Rousey for her title. Would that be a fair competition, to pit a much stronger "Roberta" Duran, who held five different championship titles as a man in five different weight classes, against a far outclassed Ronda Rousey? You're saying it makes a difference? Why? "She" was born male but identifies as a female. Wouldn't it be bigoted to keep "Roberta" from competing against other female fighters?

But that doesn't correspond with what's happening in reality Or did you just want to say that a man could kick a woman's ass any time of the day? If so, you don't need me or this hypothetical to just say it. Go ahead, just say it.

[Catholic_Lady]

As a competitive athlete (track and field) myself, this is one place where people definitely need to be slotted by their biological sex. I think track is a good sport for comparison, because the men's and woman's performances can be measured totally quantitatively and are very distinct. Look at the results of any track meet and you'll see that the men's and women's performances are clearly separate categories, and even a slow male athlete would easily win the women's division.

I've always loved the extremely close competition in track (like, a good race can easily come down to a 100th of a second... I've even won a race by 1/1000th of a second), and while I train with guys and run against them in practice, there would be no competition if sexes were combined. The margins are so tight that women would be unable to qualify for any tournaments. Let alone in the runs, but in the throwing events? The simple reason is that women biologically have less muscle than men, even with the same amount of training.

If I were competing in a track meet and there were a trans woman in my section, I and every other competitor and coach would be extremely pissed off. It would completely ruin the race. It's has nothing to do with being trans-phobic, it's just a matter of biology.

I made my post about how we trained with the guys in running *before* I saw this post lol.

I think as runners we definitely have a better awareness of the biophysical differences between men and women, athletically, because we train together and because we can measure someone's ability exactly since it's all measured by time.

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[A Theist]

Because you asked me,  

"Are we lowering his (or rather, her) testosterone levels to an acceptable level in this scenario? That makes a difference."

No. In this scenario Duran is not lowering "her" testosterone levels. "She's" decided to wait until after "her" Boxing career is over. Roberto, ( now Roberta ), Duran just simply identifies as a woman and is challenging Ronda Rousey for her title. Would that be a fair competition, to pit a much stronger "Roberta" Duran, who held five different championship titles as a man in five different weight classes, against a far outclassed Ronda Rousey? You're saying it makes a difference? Why? "She" was born male but identifies as a female. Wouldn't it be bigoted to keep "Roberta" from competing against other female fighters?

But that doesn't correspond with what's happening in reality Or did you just want to say that a man could kick a woman's ass any time of the day? If so, you don't need me or this hypothetical to just say it. Go ahead, just say it.

If a person who was born male but identifies as a female and hasn't lowered their testosterone levels, that person is still a man, in your opinion?

[GrandizerII]

But that doesn't correspond with what's happening in reality Or did you just want to say that a man could kick a woman's ass any time of the day? If so, you don't need me or this hypothetical to just say it. Go ahead, just say it.

If a person who was born male but identifies as a female and hasn't lowered their testosterone levels, that person is still a man, in your opinion?

Ok, perhaps its not clear to you that there are regulations set in place to ensure fair competition among women in sports, and that includes ensuring hormone levels of transwomen are adjusted and tested to match cisgendered women. They have to go through this procedure, it's not like it's optional.

[A Theist]

If a person who was born male but identifies as a female and hasn't lowered their testosterone levels, that person is still a man, in your opinion?

Ok, perhaps its not clear to you that there are regulations set in place to ensure fair competition among women in sports, and that includes ensuring hormone levels of transwomen are adjusted and tested to match cisgendered women. They have to go through this procedure, it's not like it's optional.

Okay. That wasn't my question, though. I just wanted your opinion on what I asked, aside from the sports. A person who was born male but identifies as a woman and hasn't lowered their testosterone levels, is that person male or female, in your opinion?