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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:08 am
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Yeah, that's me, super pc.....lol.
I have an alternative scenario. I've had this debate many times and started with the same assumption you now express...found it to be fatuous, and corrected my views. It's possible to maintain that some specific male may have some specific advantage in some specific sport that persists beyond their transition without saying silly shit about the superiority of the peen (present or past, apparently......) on average or inherently.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:13 am
The average male is definitely better than the average woman at lots of sports.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:13 am
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-Because male....or because of something else? Like, say.....the gender roles that shuffle males into sports programs? Even so..do you walk into every competition with a female -as an average person...expecting to win?
(I'm guessing you don't, ofc, that you're aware of the potential for the average girl to be better than you at some sport..or many sports.)
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:17 am
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(March 2, 2018 at 11:13 am)Khemikal Wrote: -Because male....or because of something else? Like, say.....the gender roles that shuffle males into sports programs?
Because of the difference in muscle mass, fat distribution, fast twitch muscles, lung capacity, bone density, bone structure between the average male and average females.
There's a reason why people in sports take synthetic testosterone and growth hormones that are more present naturally in the average male than the average female.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:19 am
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IDK, I've lost to girls pretty often. I'm shit at hockey, as an example, lol. All that muscle mass and bone density and lung capacity etc etc etc...not doing much for me there. If I wanted to win..and I was picking teams..I;d take a girl that played hockey over me all day erryday.
Wouldn't you?
(March 2, 2018 at 11:17 am)paulpablo Wrote:
There's a reason why people in sports take synthetic testosterone and growth hormones that are more present naturally in the average male than the average female.
OFC...-and that's why good trans regs will focus on those hormones rather than the ghost of peen past.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:21 am
(March 2, 2018 at 11:19 am)Khemikal Wrote: IDK, I've lost to girls pretty often. I'm shit at hockey, lol. All that muscle mass and bone density and lung capacity etc etc etc. If I wanted to win..and I was picking teams..I;d take a girl that played hockey over me all day erryday.
That's a cool story.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:21 am
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So to sum it all up... even if transwomen always beat ciswomen.... it doesn't matter. Transwomen are women too, and if the alternative is banning all transwomen or forcing them to play with men when they're not men they're women.... then that's immoral and unjustified and the only possible motive is bigotry.
If only blonde haired women won at women's sports, would you ban blonde haired women from playing? If them dyeing their hair had no effect, and it was the fact they were born a blonde that made them win, would you still ban them? If they were even matched with the men would you force them to play with the men?
I think this is all very silly. Women winning women's sports is normal. The fact that someone is trans or cis is irrelevant. The fact any particular sub category of a group always wins doesn't make them not part of the group. Everyone is part of the group, no one is cheating and to divide people up between trans/cis is just plain fucking wrong. Whether someone is trans or cis is wholly irrelevant. They're female, so they get to play with females.
And this is all to say even if transwomen always won.... that doesn't matter it's women playing and winning and fair is fair. That is not to say that they always do. The point is it's irrelevant.
It's not transwomen winning in women's sports.... it's women winning in women's sports. Trans/cis is irrelevant. And that is what everyone needs to takeaway from this, lest they be correctly labelled transphobic. It would be like finding out more black people than white people win and boxing, and that being seen as a problem.... the race someone is when they win is irrelevant. Whether someone is trans or cis is equally irrelevant. The group is categorized via gender and not via trans/cis. Just as men's boxing is men's boxing.... you don't have black male boxing and white male boxing.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:22 am
(March 2, 2018 at 11:19 am)Khemikal Wrote: IDK, I've lost to girls pretty often. I'm shit at hockey, as an example, lol. All that muscle mass and bone density and lung capacity etc etc etc...not doing much for me there. If I wanted to win..and I was picking teams..I;d take a girl that played hockey over me all day erryday.
Wouldn't you?
(March 2, 2018 at 11:17 am)paulpablo Wrote:
There's a reason why people in sports take synthetic testosterone and growth hormones that are more present naturally in the average male than the average female.
OFC...-and that's why good trans regs will focus on those hormones rather than the ghost of peen past.
I realize that you're going back to the main topic of the thread but that's not the point I was making, we were talking about the average man being better at sports than the average women which is nothing to do with trans regs.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:24 am
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Sure, I just don't think that statement is the truism people take it to be, Pablo, less and less so the more women play sports...but it certainly can be true somewhere, and in those cases I doubt it's because they're guys. I'll take skill over lung capacity. Having big lungs isn't exactly the same as being better at sports.
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RE: Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil
March 2, 2018 at 11:30 am
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I'm still tempted to report the OP for violating he prime directive. As no man named Tiffany is dominating pro volleyball in Brazil....
The whole discussion starts off on a misleading premise that way. We're not debating whether it's fair if a man plays with women. We're debating whether it's okay if a transwoman plays wit ciswomen. And I say "Yes don't be a bigot. This is the women's volleyball... not the ciswomen's volleyball."
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