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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 1, 2011 at 9:17 pm
I found a quick (read one post) explanation of Dark Matter and Dark Energy on reddit from a cosmology PhD: http://www.reddit.com/r/Physics/comments...e_current/
conclusion of referenced post Wrote:So, while the dark matter name sounds mysterious and is often termed a place holder for stuff we don't know about, we do in fact, know an awful lot about the properties of dark matter and have finitely many models and theories waiting to be confirmed or disproven from the LHC and DM direct detection experiments.
Also, Diamond, what have your esteemed colleagues to say about The Bullet Cluster? REF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Cluster
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 1, 2011 at 9:27 pm
(September 1, 2011 at 9:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: CMBR
I'd love to see those two links, so we now which alternative you're proposing.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_micr..._radiation
FRW (the metric expansion of space)
(For the purpose of comparison I'll link the alternatives you put forward. I won a bet when you mentioned plasma cosmology btw)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady_State_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_cosmology
I'm not entirely certain what you're attempting to criticize with the last two "quotes" So I'm just going to link you another wiki
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_universe
DM has been addressed elsewhere, obviously. So, there we have a semi-organized debate. Those two links that are missing in the text would be great, also, re: your claim that we have no evidence for an expanding universe, links to the contrary? I suppose until then we could talk about the three models under consideration. BB, SS, and Plasma. These links all have a great reference list for original papers, discussions, and of course more links on any specific topic.
(all courtesy of this wonderful link, took 10 minutes)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_cosmology
Well then the person you bet with should ask for their money back .... I never said Plasma theory was my chosen alternative, it is "an" alternative but there are two others not mentioned by you which are of a particular interest to me the creator of one of those models I am in direct contact with.
Also reposting Wiki is quite weak, we all know how bias material gets in there, Wiki is not always right by a long shot a couple of scientists I've been speaking to were even mentioning that.
Sorry death bunny, but apparently I'm a dreaming 15 year old (you might want to double that age), idiot, creationist, liar .... and whatever the hell else I've been called.
..............So this is my last post.
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 1, 2011 at 9:30 pm
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I didn't "mention" any models, you did, I just linked them to organize. Wiki's in on it too? A vast and powerful conspiracy indeed. If there are problems in the links you can always bring them up. So, care to fill in those blanks and state your argument? You send emails to somebody, excellent. Stop telling us BB is wrong, and explain why it is wrong. I don't care if you're a 12 year old prodigy. If you have something to add...... let's hear it.
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm
(September 1, 2011 at 9:17 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Also, Diamond, what have your esteemed colleagues to say about The Bullet Cluster? REF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Cluster
I did ask them that exact question but you'll never find out the explanation they gave me now will you.
But hey what does it matter right? I'm a liar and an idiot so I guess I'll just go cry about it ..... or be the bigger man and walk away from silly people.
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 1, 2011 at 9:35 pm
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 1, 2011 at 9:56 pm
(September 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: But hey what does it matter right? I'm a liar and an idiot so I guess I'll just go cry about it ..... or be the bigger man and walk away from silly people.
You denigrate your opposition with sexual accusations, designate your "Religious Views" as "Minimalist's Savior" (I removed that), make ad hominems, refuse to provide consistent, coherent evidence and claim to withhold information that would make your point.
The former of your statement is more likely, given the preceding.
Have a nice day.
You are more than welcome to visit us again, when you learn the tact that you accuse us of lacking.
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 2, 2011 at 12:20 am
(September 1, 2011 at 12:23 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Second theVOID, yay I've been waiting for you to get here ....... I'm going to enjoy this considering that I'm apparently stupid in your view, just because you talk like you know everything in that sarcastic tone does not mean you do which I will gladly demonstrate.
That's what we've been waiting for.
Quote:So apart from you claiming I should provide equations and all the rest of it (which I may have) lets just stick to the structure of debate for now.
That's what Physics IS.
Quote:Dark matter/energy
Refute my claim that it does not exist, maybe you would save time to just concede defeat on this pillar of the BB.
Neither of these is a 'pillar' of the Big Bang, both the observed gravitational interaction between galaxies that could not be explained via baryonic matter (which infers some kind of 'Dark Matter' with little to no interaction with photons) and the acceleration of the spatial expansion of the universe (which infers a 'dark energy') were proposed AFTER the Big Bang.
If you disprove Dark Matter (which I have yet to see you do) then you have NOT disproved the BBT, you have simply shown that the gravitational interactions between galaxies that WE HAVE OBSERVED must be the product of some OTHER phenomenon. Unless you are going to attempt to show that the observations are statistical flukes (which is extraordinarily unlikely) then you haven't achieved anything significant.
But even assuming you can show than the observations are a statistical fluke you would have no impact on the Big Bang Theory.
Perhaps I can make my point more clearly; Can you explain to me EXACTLY why you think that Dark Matter is a necessary feature of the BBT?
Quote:Now you claim it does not matter to the BB theory, that is an ignorant view at best, it does matter as I explained in my summary of what it is and why it matters.
Unless I missed it you haven't explained ANY of that.
Quote:True if there is no dark matter they would simply try to find another made up phenomena but the fact that they need it still stands, the rest of the BB pillars we will get to shortly.
If there is no "Dark matter" then it simply means there is some other explanation for the observed gravitational interactions. "Dark matter" simply tries to explain a series of observations, nothing more.
Quote:So first Dark matter/energy I have stated it does not exist do you accept or not?
No.
Let me ask you this;
Do you reject the observations of accelerating spatial expansion?
Do you reject the observations of gravitational interaction between galaxies that can't be explained via observing electromagnetic radiation?
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 2, 2011 at 12:43 am
Diamond is getting to be a bit like ol' James Brown with his, "I can't do no mo!" followed by a subsequent new slide and jive number.
Trying to update my sig ...
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 2, 2011 at 12:46 am
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 2, 2011 at 12:48 pm
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(September 1, 2011 at 9:27 pm)Diamond-Deist Wrote: Also reposting Wiki is quite weak, we all know how bias material gets in there, Wiki is not always right by a long shot a couple of scientists I've been speaking to were even mentioning that.
You know what's weak? Coming out with the old 'wiki is not a reliable source' crap.
For your information, wiki happens to be just as reliable a source as any other information gathering website. The fact that wiki actually requires the people entering the information to source what they are inputting would actually make it a rather reliable source in my opinion.
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