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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 12:20 am
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(May 8, 2018 at 8:33 pm)Quick Wrote: I posted this inappropriately in the Questions for 'What is a Christians role on this forum'. I now realize my mistake, I was uninformed. Now I just ask what Christians think of this...
Not a christian, but..in general, christians believe in the sufficiency (and necessity) of christs death on the cross to redeem them by grace through faith.
Combine that with a belief in total depravity, and it;s a complete non-issue. Most expect to be "not good enough", it;s not so much a source of stress as it is the reason that christ had to die on the cross in the first place. We couldn;t get their on our own.
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 12:22 am
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(May 9, 2018 at 12:13 am)Hammy Wrote: (May 8, 2018 at 11:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Being in a state of mortal sin means that you have committed a serious sin with full consent of the will and full knowledge that in doing so, you are deliberately turning away from God.
Does this mean that atheists are incapable of sinning because they can't possibility deliberately turn away from that which they don't even believe exists?
Atheists are capable of sinning and committing serious sins, just like everyone else.
Is it possible for their serious sin to become a mortal sin? (mortal sin = a serious sin with full consent of the will and knowledge that you are turning away from God)
....I suppose if a person doesn't think God is real but they commit an act that they know is a very wrong and horrible thing to do, and they choose to do so willingly anyway, they are choosing to turn away from goodness. In doing so, I suppose they are turning away from God in that sense.
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 12:51 am
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(May 9, 2018 at 12:16 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (May 9, 2018 at 12:12 am)Quick Wrote: This goes against what someone else who is a devout catholic has said. I am not sure who is right here.
What did this person say exactly? He may have been referring to personal culpability.
She said something along the lines of that everyone sins and because of this that though catholicism thinks engaging in the gay lifestyle is wrong, it's no different than any other sin, or something to that effect.
(May 9, 2018 at 12:22 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (May 9, 2018 at 12:13 am)Hammy Wrote: Does this mean that atheists are incapable of sinning because they can't possibility deliberately turn away from that which they don't even believe exists?
Atheists are capable of sinning and committing serious sins, just like everyone else.
Is it possible for their serious sin to become a mortal sin? (mortal sin = a serious sin with full consent of the will and knowledge that you are turning away from God)
....I suppose if a person doesn't think God is real but they commit an act that they know is a very wrong and horrible thing to do, and they choose to do so willingly anyway, they are choosing to turn away from goodness. In doing so, I suppose they are turning away from God in that sense.
This sounds like an awful lot of people are going to heaven.
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 1:03 am
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(May 9, 2018 at 12:51 am)Quick Wrote: (May 9, 2018 at 12:16 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What did this person say exactly? He may have been referring to personal culpability.
She said something along the lines of that everyone sins and because of this that though catholicism thinks engaging in the gay lifestyle is wrong, it's no different than any other sin, or something to that effect.
Yes, I would agree with all that.
(May 9, 2018 at 12:51 am)Quick Wrote: (May 9, 2018 at 12:22 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Atheists are capable of sinning and committing serious sins, just like everyone else.
Is it possible for their serious sin to become a mortal sin? (mortal sin = a serious sin with full consent of the will and knowledge that you are turning away from God)
....I suppose if a person doesn't think God is real but they commit an act that they know is a very wrong and horrible thing to do, and they choose to do so willingly anyway, they are choosing to turn away from goodness. In doing so, I suppose they are turning away from God in that sense.
This sounds like an awful lot of people are going to heaven.
I'm sure a lot of people go to Heaven, though it is impossible to say what the heaven to hell ratio is... If most people go to Heaven or if most go to hell.
There are plenty of pretty bad people out there, they just dont usually out themselves. So who knows.
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 1:29 am
Atheists are only capable of sinning from a Christian perspective and not from their own
Because they do not accept the concept of sin only of right and wrong or good and bad
Also many atheists are moral relativists and do not accept that objective morality exists
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 2:06 am
(May 9, 2018 at 1:03 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (May 9, 2018 at 12:51 am)Quick Wrote: This sounds like an awful lot of people are going to heaven.
I'm sure a lot of people go to Heaven, though it is impossible to say what the heaven to hell ratio is... If most people go to Heaven or if most go to hell.
There are plenty of pretty bad people out there, they just dont usually out themselves. So who knows.
This is interesting because "the way is narrow" and all that. It's harder for a rich man to enter heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of the needle, plenty examples.
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 2:43 am
(May 9, 2018 at 1:29 am)surreptitious57 Wrote: Atheists are only capable of sinning from a Christian perspective and not from their own
Because they do not accept the concept of sin only of right and wrong or good and bad
Also many atheists are moral relativists and do not accept that objective morality exists
You are incorrect in your view from the Christian stand and the atheist.
Sin is anything that is against God's nature and will. There is no other standard, just because atheist do not like who God is does not excuse them nor does it excuse Christians if they choose to ignore who God is. It doesn't matter what anyone believes, it is entirely what God deems to be right.
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 3:17 am
Godscreated Wrote:surreptitious57 Wrote:Atheists are only capable of sinning from a Christian perspective and not from their own
Because they do not accept the concept of sin only of right and wrong or good and bad
Also many atheists are moral relativists and do not accept that objective morality exists
You are incorrect in your view from the Christian stand and the atheist
Sin is anything that is against Gods nature and will. There is no other standard just because atheist do not like who God is does not excuse them
nor does it excuse Christians if they choose to ignore who God is. It doesnt matter what anyone believes it is entirely what God deems to be right
It is not that atheists do not like God rather that they do not think he exists. You are right though
that it does not matter what anyone believes only what is true and can be demonstrated to be so
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 6:29 am
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I wouldn't like god if it was real, and it was the character from the bible. I'd think it was an insane tyrant.
But as things are, I don't dislike it any more than Darth Vader, nor do I worry if I'm breaking the dark force rules.
If it was just some other thing then it would depend on what it was like. Maybe it would be cool, maybe not.
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RE: Question I have for Christians.
May 9, 2018 at 9:36 am
We are 'good enough' through Christ.
It's like asking How does it feel to not be able to pay for your house all at once and get a mortgage, then have your Father pay for the mortgage??
I would think that would generate a pretty good feeling.
I don't have to pay what I owe, my dad made arrangements to pay off everything I own and I get a house free and clear. hells yeah!
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