Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?

[Amarok]

I'm an all out anti-natalist so I can roll just fine with not giving birth to people.







"It is not only the ratio of pleasure to pain that determines the quality of a life, but also the sheer quantity of pain. Once a certain threshold of pain is passed, no amount of pleasure can compensate for it." - David Benetar

"If you’re thinking about bringing someone into existence, you’re not just thinking about when they’re young, but also when they’re in their eighties. Parents don’t think about the cancer that will ravage their future child’s body decades after they themselves die. " - David Benetar

This all sounds very nihilistic.

You view is the one that sounds nihilistic and cruel

[Edwardo Piet]

This all sounds very nihilistic.

It's pessimistic. The idea is that the meaning of life is negative rather than completely absent. With nihilism it would be to say that life is completely meaningless but with pessimism it's to say that life is bad.

“optimism, where it is not just the thoughtless talk of someone with only words in his flat head, strikes me as not only absurd, but even a truly wicked way of thinking, a bitter mockery of the unspeakable sufferings of humanity.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Representation, Vol 1

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm glad my parents had me and that I exist. I think if 2 people have the means to raise a child properly and give them a good life, bringing children into the world is a good thing. Despite everything crappy that has happened/is happening, I still see the beauty in life and I'm very glad to have been given the opportunity to live.

[Silver]

*whispers*: rose colored glasses

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm glad my parents had me and that I exist. I think if 2 people have the means to raise a child properly and give them a good life, bringing children into the world is a good thing. Despite everything crappy that has happened/is happening, I still see the beauty in life and I'm very glad to have been given the opportunity to live.

I'm glad I'm not dying but I'm not glad I was born.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm glad my parents had me and that I exist. I think if 2 people have the means to raise a child properly and give them a good life, bringing children into the world is a good thing. Despite everything crappy that has happened/is happening, I still see the beauty in life and I'm very glad to have been given the opportunity to live.

I'm glad I'm not dying but I'm not glad I was born.

Why do you wish you didn't exist Ed?

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm glad I'm not dying but I'm not glad I was born.

Why do you wish you didn't exist Ed?

Because of how much I will suffer in the future one day when I die or have the worst day of my life (which is probably yet to come).

[Silver]

And now we're getting into deep therapy territory that years and years of counseling doesn't help.

[Catholic_Lady]

Why do you wish you didn't exist Ed?

Because of how much I will suffer in the future one day when I die or have the worst day of my life (which is probably yet to come).

What about all the good things though. The joy and love you've experienced... aren't you glad you got the chance to live?

[Edwardo Piet]

And now we're getting into deep therapy territory that years and years of counseling doesn't help.

I had one year. Does that count? She said she was unable to offer more progress as it was beyond her scope. It wasn't about this though. It was about my abusive father.

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Because of how much I will suffer in the future one day when I die or have the worst day of my life (which is probably yet to come).

What about all the good things though. The joy and love you've experienced... aren't you glad you got the chance to live?

So far I am, yeah. Like I said, I think the worst is yet to come.

I do, after all, believe this: "It is not only the ratio of pleasure to pain that determines the quality of a life, but also the sheer quantity of pain. Once a certain threshold of pain is passed, no amount of pleasure can compensate for it." - David Benetar

Bold added.

I'm not suicidal at all by the way. I enjoy the present moment. The bad shit may not happen until I'm on my deathbed with excruciating cancer. I bet when I am I will be thinking "Life wasn't worth this" though.