DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[robvalue]

Let's lay it out one more time:

Being an atheist means you don't believe in gods. That's it. You can believe in whatever other nonsense you want. You can believe the universe was created yesterday by the ghost of your future self. Whatever. You can believe bananas are magic and they keep the water wet. You can believe you're trapped in a computer game. (That last one is probably true anyhow.)

Atheism demands no default beliefs about anything else, including the origin of the universe. Each individual atheist believes whatever they want, so it's best to ask instead of creating a straw man.

[The Grand Nudger]

It;s got to be frustrating to know that an atheist is only concerned with the one thing the faithful never get around to providing.

They'll put their god in opposition to biology (or..really, any and every bit of science).... no problem.
They'll put their god in opposition to common human decency.
They'll put their god in opposition to the state.

They'll go on and on and on forcing their god into direct competition with any real thing, when all they ever had to do..and the only thing they -can- do.....if they want to be winsome, is produce a single god. If any of them ever get around to doing that...all of their work will still be ahead of them - but at least they'll have made that very first step.

The main occupation of folks like this, though..is poaching believers from competing cults, and that really doesn;t set them up for success outside of the space where people already believe in some sort of silly god. They;ve been practicing with an absurd handicap...and that;s why it goes to shit when they eventually find us here, from page one post one. imo.

I long for a believer to show up not looking to argue their god into existence by arguing against other real things...but, instead, to show that their god belongs in the category with those real things. That god and biology are both true, rather than god being true because biology is false. There;s really no way around it. If god can only be real if this other thing x isn;t..and the other thing x simply cannot be discarded by any means...then their god isn;t real. No argument can salvage it, and they;re the ones who tanked it. If a believer can;t take their own god seriously enough to do this...why should anyone else?

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-and pursuant to the above, something that always strikes me as incredibly counter-intuitive with this intelligent design by irreducible complexity shit, is that it argues against itself and it;s vision of god from every angle.

The incredibly powerful and super smart author of life designs this fantastically complicated and effective system.....that can;t do what we see it doing...?  It;s so well designed, that it;s incapable of the thing it;s designed for? So what is a person failing to address with any sincerity here? Do they not actually believe that the system is all that inexplicably badass..or do they not actually believe that their god could make a fucking cart that works?

Both?

It's a case example in the phenomenon of confounding doctrine. This list of things so simply and tersely false by relation to each other that, for a great many people, the brain just gives up trying to make sense of the insensible. The "mysterious ways" of god are all too often nothing more or less than a well documented (and otherwise useful) cognitive misfire. A way of dealing with a loop.

Thanks for that one, evolution! Or....did god screw up brains as badly as he punted it with genetics ala intelligent design.....? These are the questions, lol.

[LastPoet]

Didn't read lol.

Tired of all these atheists around saying things I already now. Theists tell me things that are unknowable (if that word does't exist, it does now).

Meh.Riemann was right. Immediate objectives supercede futile endeavours.

[CDF47]

With infinite curvature of spacetime there could be no matter or energy.

The Learned Professor of Theoretical Physics™ speaks.  All must accept his pronouncements.

That's right.  Now bow down and kiss the ring...LOL

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Let's lay it out one more time:

Being an atheist means you don't believe in gods. That's it. You can believe in whatever other nonsense you want. You can believe the universe was created yesterday by the ghost of your future self. Whatever. You can believe bananas are magic and they keep the water wet. You can believe you're trapped in a computer game. (That last one is probably true anyhow.)

Atheism demands no default beliefs about anything else, including the origin of the universe. Each individual atheist believes whatever they want, so it's best to ask instead of creating a straw man.

So you believe we are trapped in a computer game.  Who built the computer?  It will always go back to a primordial mind which I believe is the Christian God of the Bible and there is no computer game.  You seen the Matrix once too many times.

[robvalue]

I realized that we can use Christianty to wipe out all the world's debt!

Since the trinity insists that 1+1+1 = 1 that tells us that 1+1 = 0

So basically, Christian maths is modulo 2.

We now apply that to any particular debt, and it reduces it to either 0 or 1 of the smallest currency unit. Amazing!

[downbeatplumb]

I realized that we can use Christianty to wipe out all the world's debt!

Since the trinity insists that 1+1+1 = 1 that tells us that 1+1 = 0

So basically, Christian maths is modulo 2.

We now apply that to any particular debt, and it reduces it to either 0 or 1 of the smallest currency unit. Amazing!

No Christian maths. The answer is whatever your pastor/reverend/ priest/Vicar tells you it is.

[Abaddon_ire]

The Learned Professor of Theoretical Physics™ speaks.  All must accept his pronouncements.

That's right.  Now bow down and kiss the ring...LOL

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Let's lay it out one more time:

Being an atheist means you don't believe in gods. That's it. You can believe in whatever other nonsense you want. You can believe the universe was created yesterday by the ghost of your future self. Whatever. You can believe bananas are magic and they keep the water wet. You can believe you're trapped in a computer game. (That last one is probably true anyhow.)

Atheism demands no default beliefs about anything else, including the origin of the universe. Each individual atheist believes whatever they want, so it's best to ask instead of creating a straw man.

So you believe we are trapped in a computer game.  Who built the computer?  It will always go back to a primordial mind which I believe is the Christian God of the Bible and there is no computer game.  You seen the Matrix once too many times.

Well, no.

Your first claim is that ID is real, a claim for which you provide no evidence beyond your own lack of imagination.

Your second claim is that the designer must be bible god, a claim you make with no reasoning or evidence. It could be Allah or Vishnu or Odin or any of the thousands of other claimed gods on the basis of...something that you cannot say. The best you can come up with is "because".

The simple fact is that you were a bible thumping christian FIRST. The whole ID crap was something you simply shoehorned in retrospectively. You already believed in bible god long before you ever hear of ID, and in a saturnaliac orgy of confirmation bias, you simply obeyed your church and shoved it in along with all of your other biases.

[Nay_Sayer]

The Learned Professor of Theoretical Physics™ speaks.  All must accept his pronouncements.

That's right.  Now bow down and kiss the ring...LOL

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Let's lay it out one more time:

Being an atheist means you don't believe in gods. That's it. You can believe in whatever other nonsense you want. You can believe the universe was created yesterday by the ghost of your future self. Whatever. You can believe bananas are magic and they keep the water wet. You can believe you're trapped in a computer game. (That last one is probably true anyhow.)

Atheism demands no default beliefs about anything else, including the origin of the universe. Each individual atheist believes whatever they want, so it's best to ask instead of creating a straw man.

So you believe we are trapped in a computer game.  Who built the computer?  It will always go back to a primordial mind which I believe is the Christian God of the Bible and there is no computer game.  You seen the Matrix once too many times.

!fact! Saturn's rings are about 500,000 miles in circumference but only about a foot thick.

[Anomalocaris]

That's right.  Now bow down and kiss the ring...LOL

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So you believe we are trapped in a computer game.  Who built the computer?  It will always go back to a primordial mind which I believe is the Christian God of the Bible and there is no computer game.  You seen the Matrix once too many times.

!fact! Saturn's rings are about 500,000 miles in circumference but only about a foot thick.

And Christian assholes are so reamed the rings of Saturn will fit face on.

Btw, it is as thin as several hundred feet thick at places, but average several miles to several hundred miles thick.

[robvalue]

Okay, I've gone through the whole thread and tallied up:

"Does not" : 4,329

"Does too" : 8,391

So I guess God exists. Oh well, it's been a fun ride.