Federal Judge rules "No fundamental right to literacy"

[henryp]

I think what it boils down to, as long as parents are allowed to raise their children, then there are going to be a lot of children who fail.

Because you imagine the shittiest most awful person imaginable, and they are having kids.

[Brian37]

I think what it boils down to, as long as parents are allowed to raise their children, then there are going to be a lot of children who fail.  

Because you imagine the shittiest most awful person imaginable, and they are having kids.

Yea, there is an infestation in the White House. Being a smart con does not make you educated, it just makes you a smart con. The best criminals and despots are smart cons.

[henryp]

The goal is great.  But practically, you go to a really poor school, where the kids are getting beaten, or the parent just views the school as a daycare, or nobody has taught the kid anything heading into kindergarten, including how to sit still for 5 minutes or listen (or all of these things).  In those situations, where the teacher isn't just teaching them a read, they are trying to raise them like a parent while at the same time teaching 19 other kids to read.  It's just not in the cards no matter how many laws you pass.

I don't know where you live, but if you're working with parents, that means the parents are interested, which already puts them head and shoulders above some lousier schools.  And if the school is dealing with a few special needs kids, or a couple disruptive kids, it's no small task, but they can and should accommodate them.

But again, some of these schools, 8 kids out of 20 are in no position to succeed.  And they're dragging down the other 12 kids on top of it.  100% literacy is the goal, but there's only so much a teacher can do.

I'd like to see your credible sources for all of the claims that you are making in your post here. Otherwise, I'm just going to consider it that you are just basically asking us to believe you at your word. Given that schools want the federal funding - because well paychecks and pensions and teacher unions are real things - I cannot see where you are getting your facts from.

My sister teaches 1st grade (and taught one year of 5th grade) at a really bad school.   I'm relaying her experience.   


I'm curious what it is in the post you are skeptical of.  It's anecdotal, for sure.  But do you not think a scenario like this exists?

[Minimalist]

The republicunt ideal.... exposed.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/christi...-literate/

Here is how Christian homeschooling hurts kids — and leaves some barely literate

“We homeschooled because we wanted to protect our children from what we viewed as the total secularization of America. We listened to people like Rush Limbaugh, who told us that America was in the clutches of evil liberal feminist atheists.”

[Joods]

I'd like to see your credible sources for all of the claims that you are making in your post here. Otherwise, I'm just going to consider it that you are just basically asking us to believe you at your word. Given that schools want the federal funding - because well paychecks and pensions and teacher unions are real things - I cannot see where you are getting your facts from.

My sister teaches 1st grade (and taught one year of 5th grade) at a really bad school.   I'm relaying her experience.   


I'm curious what it is in the post you are skeptical of.  It's anecdotal, for sure.  But do you not think a scenario like this exists?

I'm just asking you to cite your sources. I do educational advocacy in my area. I know my way around IDEA and NCLB . And because of the direction of this thread and its importance and since you are stating claims as fact, I don't think I'm being unreasonable in asking you to provide legitimate statistics.

[RoadRunner79]

I'm curious how you tie in homeschooling to the conversation? 

What is the literacy rate of those being home schooled? 

I'm against home schooling, but literacy (or educational standards) was never part of the problem why (as far as I know).

[Angrboda]

The republicunt ideal.... exposed.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/christi...-literate/

Garrison believes that homeschooling has become so popular with fundamentalist Christians because, “there is an atmosphere of real terror among some evangelicals. They are horrified by the fact that Obama is president, and they see the New Atheist movement as a vocal, in-your-face threat. Plus, they are obsessed with the End Times, and believe that the Apocalypse could happen any day now…They see a demon on every corner.

- ibid.

[Minimalist]

Because of the ongoing series of attacks by your republicunt overlords on the public education system.  You'd know about this if you didn't have your head so far up trump's ass, RR.

[popeyespappy]

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. The Michigan state constitution provides for a free public education. The city of Detroit operates, with a shit ton of federal oversight, a free public primary and secondary school system that is available to every child in the city regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation and even citizenship. The state is providing, as required by law the opportunity for every child to become literate. Is the government somehow supposed to guarantee that every child learns to read? If so, how the fuck are we supposed to do that?

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Because of the ongoing series of attacks by your republicunt overlords on the public education system.  You'd know about this if you didn't have your head so far up trump's ass, RR.

I doubt funding for the Detroit city school system is the biggest problem here. According to this article in the Detroit News, the Detroit public school system is budgeted for $732,000,000 for the 2018-19 school year for an estimated 50,875 students. That's $14,388 per student for the year. That's not a bad budget considering Detroit is broke. It’s a lot better than a lot of other school systems that do more with less.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. The Michigan state constitution provides for a free public education. The city of Detroit operates, with a shit ton of federal oversight, a free public primary and secondary school system that is available to every child in the city regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation and even citizenship. The state is providing, as required by law the opportunity for every child to become literate. Is the government somehow supposed to guarantee that every child learns to read? If so, how the fuck are we supposed to do that?

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Because of the ongoing series of attacks by your republicunt overlords on the public education system.  You'd know about this if you didn't have your head so far up trump's ass, RR.

I doubt funding for the Detroit city school system is the biggest problem here. According to this article in the Detroit News, the Detroit public school system is budgeted for $732,000,000 for the 2018-19 school year for an estimated 50,875 students. That's $14,388 per student for the year. That's not a bad budget considering Detroit is broke. It’s a lot better than a lot of other school systems that do more with less.

Did you hear about the guy who was illiterate and was a teacher for 17 years?  https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-43700153