Why believe the bible?

[I_am_not_mafia]

I don't hate people because they do not agree with me.. so there that bit of enlightenment I do have over you and yours.

I don't think anyone here hates you Drich. No one even really knows you.

Do not confuse hate and contempt.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

In the Bible it was moral for Abraham to spend his life banging his sister, killing and mutilating people, lying, robbing, committing adultery, child abuse.  It was moral for Lot to pimp out his daughters to be gang raped and for them to have him knock them up.  It was moral for Judah to screw Tamar for a goat and to threaten to burn her alive when he found out that she was preggers.  It's moral for religious thugs to kill people for working on the sabbath.  And it's moral to sell your kids into slavery.

What's the point of having any discussion with you if you're going to just claim whatever you want with no context? Take this one for instance:

It was moral for Judah to screw Tamar for a goat and to threaten to burn her alive when he found out that she was preggers.

You're just bald faced lying at this point, gee I wonder why you didn't post any of the scriptures you referenced... because maybe they don't fit the narrative you're trying to portray?

Here is the full story in context.

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Genesis 38

11 Judah then said to his daughter-in-law Tamar, “Live as a widow in your father’s household until my son Shelah grows up.” For he thought, “He may die too, just like his brothers.” So Tamar went to live in her father’s household.

12 After a long time Judah’s wife, the daughter of Shua, died. When Judah had recovered from his grief, he went up to Timnah, to the men who were shearing his sheep, and his friend Hirah the Adullamite went with him.

13 When Tamar was told, “Your father-in-law is on his way to Timnah to shear his sheep,”

14 she took off her widow’s clothes, covered herself with a veil to disguise herself, and then sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the road to Timnah. For she saw that, though Shelah had now grown up, she had not been given to him as his wife.

15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face.

16 Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, “Come now, let me sleep with you.” “And what will you give me to sleep with you?” she asked.

17 “I’ll send you a young goat from my flock,” he said. “Will you give me something as a pledge until you send it?” she asked.

18 He said, “What pledge should I give you?” “Your seal and its cord, and the staff in your hand,” she answered. So he gave them to her and slept with her, and she became pregnant by him.

19 After she left, she took off her veil and put on her widow’s clothes again.

20 Meanwhile Judah sent the young goat by his friend the Adullamite in order to get his pledge back from the woman, but he did not find her.

21 He asked the men who lived there, “Where is the shrine prostitute who was beside the road at Enaim?” “There hasn’t been any shrine prostitute here,” they said.

22 So he went back to Judah and said, “I didn’t find her. Besides, the men who lived there said, ‘There hasn’t been any shrine prostitute here.’”

23 Then Judah said, “Let her keep what she has, or we will become a laughingstock. After all, I did send her this young goat, but you didn’t find her.”

24 About three months later Judah was told, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar is guilty of prostitution, and as a result she is now pregnant.” Judah said, “Bring her out and have her burned to death!”

25 As she was being brought out, she sent a message to her father-in-law. “I am pregnant by the man who owns these,” she said. And she added, “See if you recognize whose seal and cord and staff these are.”

26 Judah recognized them and said, “She is more righteous than I, since I wouldn’t give her to my son Shelah.” And he did not sleep with her again.

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Not really the picture you painted is it? Judah even stated he was wrong, so how is the bible condoning the behavior? it's simply stating what happened.

David, (of whom God said was a man after his own heart) got another mans wife pregnant and had him killed, the bible doesn't condone that behavior, It's just telling you what happened, and God punished David for it.

If you think that the Bible preaches love you're nuts.  There's not one story in it that preaches interpersonal love.  Jesus even said that his followers had to hate their families.  

So when you find the five most moral things in the Bible you can post them and prove me wrong.

Spoken as someone who has no knowledge of the Bible, learn the different between law and grace, then we can discuss it.

Also, show where Jesus stated for one to hate their family, and I'd better see the word 'hate' prominently displayed.

Judah only admitted that he was wrong because he was proven to be the one who knocked up Tamar.  If someone else had done it she would have been roasted well-done.  His sons Perez and Zerah were bastards. IAW Deuteronomy 23:2 their decendants were barred from entering the assembly of the Lord for 10 generations.  And then some more bastards popped up when Salmon knocked up the hooker Rahab and produced Boaz.  And then Boaz knocked up the skank Ruth who had Jesse.  Jesse's boy David then knocked up the 6 year-old Bathsheba and had Solomon.  The end result was the Jesus character who came from a long line of bastards.

Deuteronomy 23:2 (KJV)= "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord."

As it says in Luke 14:26 (KJV) =   "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

And don't forget, the Holy Spirit is the one that knocked up Mary.  Joseph didn't get any nookie until after Jesus was born (Matthew 1:25 CEB) =
"But he didn’t have sexual relations with her until she gave birth to a son. Joseph called him Jesus."  

So by definition Jesus was a bastard and was barred from entering the congregation of the Lord per Deuteronomy 23:2.

[Minimalist]

I don't hate people because they do not agree with me.. so there that bit of enlightenment I do have over you and yours.

I don't think anyone here hates you Drich. No one even really knows you.

Do not confuse hate and contempt.

He is to be pitied, really.  An adult who still thinks he has an invisible friend!  Sad.

[Huggy Bear]

As it says in Luke 14:26 (KJV) =   "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

You do realize that is an English translation of a Greek word, right?

3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.

Lk 14:26: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate (3404 /miséō, 'love less' than the Lord) his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple" (NASU).

[Note the comparative meaning of 3404 (miséō) which centers in moral choice, elevating one value over another.]

In other words, you are not to love anything more than God, God comes first than family second, but of course through your dishonesty you mean to imply that Jesus means that you should have ill will toward your family.

[Minimalist]

Then fuck god.  See how easy that is, Huggy?

[The Grand Nudger]

This god guy just cant get right.  To hear the story told, he stumbles his way from one massive fuckup to another, blaming every failure on everyone else at every point.  Reminds me of our favorite apologists.

Coincidence?

[Minimalist]

blaming every failure on everyone else at every point.

Reminds me of

[Drich]

I don't hate people because they do not agree with me.. so there that bit of enlightenment I do have over you and yours.

I don't think anyone here hates you Drich. No one even really knows you.

Do not confuse hate and contempt.

Who said anything about hating me?

I said what is worse hating someone over skin color or hating them because they do not think as you do or may hold different religious views.

The person I was speaking with fired back it is batter to hate someone with different religious views...

You can walk that statement back old sport. that is one of your people siding with "ultimate solution" to the National Socialists biggest problem.. what to do with people of did not side with their prescribed religion.

Once one of you committed to this hate I simple asked where does it stop? if it doesn't then how fast can we expect to see ghettos and concentration camps and ultimately mass crematoriums?

My point is that if it is ok to hate someone who holds a different religious view then what stops us from being the next nazi germany.. for them it was a 20 year economic down turn. after coming out of a 15 year down turn do you think if we kept going as under obama (riots and burning CVS' and, wig shops, rioters lives matter) do you think we would last 5 more years before we turned on each other?

[downbeatplumb]

Your video is nothing but a bunch of drivel, but I suppose people that are unable to think for themselves, need to have someone do their thinking for them.

So unless your willing to say you agree with absolutely everything said in the video (which I can easily debunk), how about arguing morality with your own words.

Go on then debunk it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Everytime you decide to remember alt-history under Adolph bin'Obama, Drich, I wonder why you feel the need to ask the question of which of the two is worse, lol.