Why believe the bible?

[Succubus]

I feel like someone has just vomited in my face.

His ravings are becoming even more unhinged with each passing day. I think he's coming unglued.

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gladly:
below it shows the <snipped for mercy>

None of that said anything to imply that hitler was trying to be worshipped as a god.

As a great war leade rand dictator yes, god no.

That you read that is a service above and beyond the call of duty.

You are awarded five internets.

[Angrboda]

Well, that's interesting information, and I can understand that you're distinguishing Positive Christianity from its sources, but I don't see in any of that a demand that Hitler be worshiped as God.  

Your latter claim, that this is what he wanted, what are you basing that on?

last line of the last quote in the previous post:
 During the war, Rosenberg drafted a plan for the future of religion in Germany which would see the "expulsion of the foreign Christian religions" and replacement of the Bible with  and the cross with the swastika in Nazified churches.

Also the quote hitler said: "it is foolish to end or attempt religion unless you have something better." The end of Christian religion and the replacement of the bible with mein kampf and the cross with the swastika in nazi churches put hitler at the head of the church does it not? Who is the head of the church as the bible tells it it is Jesus Christ. The top article already names Hitler or rather Hitler calls himself the savior of the german people, now mid war he seeks the position of the 'head of the church.'

It's not clear that it means what you think it means. Head of the church, savior of the church, neither of these indicate that Hitler intended to replace God with himself. These are both expressions which have meanings quite apart from your rather idiomatic references to Christ's role in Christianity. It's not clear from what you've presented that there ever was going to be a demand to worship Hitler as God.

: here is Actual nazi propaganda that is the beginning of the seperation of the Church and the nazi governmental church
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/rim5.htm

As long as the Roman Catholic Church stays within its boundaries, as long as it deals with the religious lives and experiences of its faithful, and as long as it does not interfere in the areas of politics, economics and culture, those areas that the National Socialist government reserves entirely to itself in the interests of the whole of the people, each church and religious group in Germany can conduct its activities unhindered and free of outside influence. ... “The nation is not the highest power, nor may the state be idolized; The highest power for each nation is and remains religion.”

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propag...e/rim5.htm

here is the actual command/order for all senior officials and nazi party leaders to LEAVE the church and force compliance to the german state 'church' (where hitler is the savior)
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/koehler.htm

This memo seems rather clear in its intent, and doesn't really support either of your inferences.

This is the beginning of the expulsion of forgein christian religions as called for by rosenberg in the lat line of Hitler's plan for the religion of Germany.

Even if true, that doesn't imply the conclusions you've drawn here.  I see no proverbial smoking gun in any of this.  Based on the information you've presented, I'd have to rate your claim that Hitler demanded to be worshiped as God as false, and your contention that this is what he wanted as unsupported.  You're conflating inferences you are making from the facts, with the actual facts themselves.  For someone who "always supports his claims with three sources" I'd expect better than this.  So, until you deliver, I'm going to have to conclude that you've failed to adequately support your claims.

It's also worth noting that if you're basing this all on Rosenberg, the Wikipedia article you cite states that, "Rosenberg was in the end, a marginalised figure in the Hitler regime."  But if you have some explicit statements from Rosenberg that he intended to elevate Hitler to the station of God, by all means provide them.

[I_am_not_mafia]

I feel like someone has just vomited in my face.

His ravings are becoming even more unhinged with each passing day. I think he's coming unglued.

Agreed. I thought he was trolling us with the whole brain as an antennae idea but then he seemed to genuinely believe it in another thread.

[Whateverist]

I feel like someone has just vomited in my face.

Have you tried the ignore button.  I find that hides most traces of Dritch's breath.

[The Grand Nudger]

You miss out on some top shelf nuttery that way, though.

[Drich]

I feel like someone has just vomited in my face.

if you avatar is an accurate representation of your self...

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And all of this nonsense from Drich because he wants to demonstrate (somehow) that  "hating a man according to his thoughts are as bad if not worse the hating for skin color."

Hey, try not hating anyone.

It never ceases to amaze me how Xtians go on about hating, like how their god utterly hates evil for example. Or how Mr God hates fags or whatever.

It's almost like the Xtians are hateful themselves and are trying to justify it through some imaginary being.

what the f are you on about?

WE Christians are being hated because WE do not think like you!

I made the observation that being hated for religious thought is bad if not worse than being hated for skin color why?

Because YOU Hypocrites think it is ok (Don't argue with me about this, look at what you f-ing peers have said, (past tense) I am just summarizing the collective here) to hate based on religious thought is ok but not skin color...

When hating based on religious thought has in the past lead to millions of jews being nearly wiped off the planet in a few short years, where skin color what gets you pulled over more times than others, maybe makes you uncomfortable n the bus?? How seriously screwed up is your morality if you think hating a person for religious thought is ok. But dare not speak out against skin color!

Then you turn around and try and turn the tables on us? Seriously?!?! are you so out of touch that you do not see what is you are dong in your own colsing remarks???


look at this hypocritical mess!

It never ceases to amaze me how Xtians go on about hating, like how their god utterly hates evil for example. Or how Mr God hates fags or whatever.

It's almost like the Xtians are hateful themselves and are trying to justify it through some imaginary being.

what blind hypocritical mind thinks it can get away by calling me out on my thoughts on religious hate, turn the tables and claim we are the haters, then give two line of supposition trying to cover her big ass on the religious hate she has!!!

[The Grand Nudger]

Is racism, like..even so bad?  What about the religious persecution people like Drich have to face, huh, whattabout that?  Doubleplus ungood!  

Somebody;s been away from the mothership too long.

[Minimalist]

Dripshit is a whiny little bitch..... just like his hero the Orange Turdfuhrer.

[Drich]

It's not clear that it means what you think it means.  Head of the church, savior of the church, neither of these indicate that Hitler intended to replace God with himself.  These are both expressions which have meanings quite apart from your rather idiomatic references to Christ's role in Christianity.  It's not clear from what you've presented that there ever was going to be a demand to worship Hitler as God.

Basic sunday school Christian teach who the "head of the church is."
The passage does not have to 'spell it word for word as you so often demand." as Church tradition/The bible does this for us.
1 col 117 The Son was there before anything was made.
And all things continue because of him.
18 He is the head of the body, which is the church.
He is the beginning of everything else.
And he is the first among all who will be raised from death.[d]
So in everything he is most important.

19 God was pleased for all of himself to live in the Son.

and again:
22 Wives, be willing to serve your husbands the same as the Lord. 23 A husband is the head of his wife, just as Christ is the head of the church. Christ is the Savior of the church, which is his body. 24 The church serves under Christ, so it is the same with you wives. You should be willing to serve your husbands in everything.

Again Christ is the head of the church even the pope make the point to say Christ is the "invisiable head' at least sharing the title of God with God.

Hitler is clearly seeking to be the Head of the church in this statement and the out lined follow up about replacing religion with something better.

If you don't understand that, then know you should be asking questions establishing basic christianity and not trying to split hairs in nazi propaganda (something meant to deceive)

: here is Actual nazi propaganda that is the beginning of the seperation of the Church and the nazi governmental church
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/rim5.htm

As long as the Roman Catholic Church stays within its boundaries, as long as it deals with the religious lives and experiences of its faithful, and as long as it does not interfere in the areas of politics, economics and culture, those areas that the National Socialist government reserves entirely to itself in the interests of the whole of the people, each church and religious group in Germany can conduct its activities unhindered and free of outside influence. ... “The nation is not the highest power, nor may the state be idolized; The highest power for each nation is and remains religion.”

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propag...e/rim5.htm

here is the actual command/order for all senior officials and nazi party leaders to LEAVE the church and force compliance to the german state 'church' (where hitler is the savior)
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/koehler.htm

This memo seems rather clear in its intent, and doesn't really support either of your inferences.

because you are trolling again and of course the passages no longer show what I claimed you have cherry picked in such a way so they no longer read correctly.

This is the beginning of the expulsion of forgein christian religions as called for by rosenberg in the lat line of Hitler's plan for the religion of Germany.

Even if true, that

doesn't imply the conclusions you've drawn here.  I see no proverbial smoking gun in any of this.

then you are intentionally being obtuse. I gave you access to the intion of the nazi party mid war, and then gave you access to the actual actual command that demands all senior officials break from the church and align themselves with the state, just like the plan said for hitler to become the head of the church.

Based on the information you've presented, I'd have to rate your claim that Hitler demanded to be worshiped as God as false,

because you lack the fundamental knowledge underscoring the term 'head of the church.' you wrongly sought a definition in nazi propaganda, when you should have turned to "the church" to define your query.

and your contention that this is what he wanted as unsupported.

Who is the head of the church? did I not show the Nazi party exalting hitler to become the head of the church? again not that it happened fully, but to take the title "savior of Germany, to replace the cross, with the swastika, to replace the bible with mein kampf then issuing an order to break from the outside church... If these are not all indicators to you of a man wishing to take the place of God in his people then again you are being intentionally obtuse. No one can look at all this evidence and claim otherwise.. So did you actually read anything I posted or did you just skim through it with your closed mind already made up?

 You're conflating inferences you are making from the facts, with the actual facts themselves.  For someone who "always supports his claims with three sources" I'd expect better than this.  So, until you deliver, I'm going to have to conclude that you've failed to adequately support your claims.

You got your three source sweet heart you got a wiki page, a letter from the ministry of propaganda and a letter from koler. again your intentionally ground the facts because you lack the fundamentals to make an accurate assessment of the topic you are pretending to be in a place to judge. and you assume the fault lies with the facts provided. when in truth you do not have the ability to put the fact together with the subject matter you are attempting to dismiss. The fault is not with me nor the fact provided as I only answer the question you ask, but that's the gig isn't it? you intentionally ask 1/2 questions in order to get 1/2 an answer then you fill in with whatever you like.

It's also worth noting that if you're basing this all on Rosenberg, the Wikipedia article you cite states that, "Rosenberg was in the end, a marginalised figure in the Hitler regime."  But if you have some explicit statements from Rosenberg that he intended to elevate Hitler to the station of God, by all means provide them.

like this bullshit.. What a stupid thing to try and trivialize. do you seriously not know any better or is it your hope I don't? every hear the term 'chain of command?" do you know what that means? of course you don't because you tried and dismiss/throw away the testimony/works of an head ranking nazi party official as if it were the works of some second rate news article. You don't get to debate this, because Here's the thing with that sport.. Any historian can tell you that EVEN IF Rosenberg was the laughing stock of the other advisors (to men like grobbles himler and or goering) He was still a figure head to the REST OF THE MF-ing FATHERLAND! So when He writes a a order say to, ranking officers and party officals Then guess what. whether they like the guy or not ALL men who follow under that category must follow the command. They unlike you did not get to judge a man based on what others thought by wars end. All they know is that A higher up made a call like abandon The church and follow Nazi orders, So then all would do so. lest the be subject of interest for the gestapo

I'm so sorry sport but even if the rest of what i said was untrue the argument ended when the nazi party sought elevated hitler to the status of "the head of the church." Jesus/God has that role if hitler sought it case closed. (unfortunately you lacked the fundamentals in basic christianity to see this therefore dragging out your humiliation on the matter)

but, regardless I showed you/quoted you a passage where they did to put hitler in such a position.. case closed.

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His ravings are becoming even more unhinged with each passing day. I think he's coming unglued.

Agreed. I thought he was trolling us with the whole brain as an antennae idea but then he seemed to genuinely believe it in another thread.

transmitter and receiver.. and i conclusively shown that the brain does indeed transmit and receives electrical signals that it then translated into sensor perception.. this is not a Drich thing. this is a science thing. I simply applied this in a way people like you have been authorized to accept yet.

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Is racism, like..even so bad?  What about the religious persecution people like Drich have to face, huh, whattabout that?  Doubleplus ungood!  

Somebody;s been away from the mothership too long.

whattabout some good olde fashion book chapter and verse that authorizes said persecution... or an admission that not everything done by religous people are because God demands it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you really think that a bunch of atheists are the ones who need to be told that god doesn;t demand all the silly shit you and your fellow believers think it does? There is no god, silly. It demands nothing. It exists between the pages of a book and is incapable of making demands in the first place. It;s all..and always, been yall. Just yall bein yall.