The death penalty makes no sense.

[Anomalocaris]

I never said I was full of good ideas...but all of my clones would likely be full of bad ideas.

Well I'm not going to clone me.

One is bad enough.

Sounds like someone is insecure and fears competition.

[Cyberman]

I thought I was digging all the holes...I've already started! I can only grow -dese fruits- for so long before I have to amend the soil with organics.

Strange fruit.

[Ravenshire]

I thought I was digging all the holes...I've already started!  I can only grow -dese fruits- for so long before I have to amend the soil with organics.

Strange fruit.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

[The Grand Nudger]

Takes about a half a second to get to know me by my fruits.  They're complete assholes.  All of em.

[Cyberman]

Strange fruit.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

On a gloomy Sunday?

[robvalue]

The non-revenge arguments I can see for the death penalty are the financial burden on society, the potential risk they pose while still alive, and the jail space they take up that has a knock-on effect. I do agree that being killed is somewhat getting off lightly, I'd rather be killed than spend my life in jail anyday.

I used to consider those arguments somewhat persuasive, but I don't anymore. I'm on the side of being against it now. I still think there are complex issues at play though.

Costs more to kill them than to jail them, if we were worried about the risk they pose to fellow inmates we wouldn't be killing inmates, and jails are hella profitable per sq foot - especially when they're wildly over cap.

I know, I know..just a rejoinder.

Oh really? I wasn't aware that killing would be more expensive. I have heard about jails being profitable, and that itself being an issue.

My concerns are more about dangerous people escaping, but I think that's probably too rare to justify an argument.

I hadn't put enough thought into the issues when I previously held my pro-penalty position. This forum was actually the catalyst to thinking it all through more carefully, maybe 3 years ago now, and I changed my mind. I was thinking of making a thread about what issues this forum has caused people to reconsider.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh really? I wasn't aware that killing would be more expensive. I have heard about jails being profitable, and that itself being an issue.

Yeah.  It's more expensive to kill them than to keep them.  

My concerns are more about dangerous people escaping, but I think that's probably too rare to justify an argument.

Jailbreaks aren't exactly common. 

I hadn't put enough thought into the issues when I previously held my pro-penalty position. This forum was actually the catalyst to thinking it all through more carefully, maybe 3 years ago now, and I changed my mind. I was thinking of making a thread about what issues this forum has caused people to reconsider.

First person I ever shot was the catalyst for me.  I suddenly had all sorts of questions.  Turns out, I wasn't actually comfortable shooting people.  Not that this stopped me from doing it again, mind. If people want somebody dead..I'll do it with my own two hands..I just cant blow smoke up my own ass about what I or we are doing.

[Cyberman]

My concerns are more about dangerous people escaping, but I think that's probably too rare to justify an argument.

Jailbreaks aren't exactly common. 

I was once worried that the carrier bag around my groceries wouldn't make it home, so I ate all the shopping to be on the safe side. I mean, I could have gone for a stronger bag, or double bagged, but where's the fun in that?

[Amarok]

Costs more to kill them than to jail them, if we were worried about the risk they pose to fellow inmates we wouldn't be killing inmates, and jails are hella profitable per sq foot - especially when they're wildly over cap.

I know, I know..just a rejoinder.

Oh really? I wasn't aware that killing would be more expensive. I have heard about jails being profitable, and that itself being an issue.

My concerns are more about dangerous people escaping, but I think that's probably too rare to justify an argument.

I hadn't put enough thought into the issues when I previously held my pro-penalty position. This forum was actually the catalyst to thinking it all through more carefully, maybe 3 years ago now, and I changed my mind. I was thinking of making a thread about what issues this forum has caused people to reconsider.

1.Death row is quite expensive 

2.Indeed it's is rare 

Really the one argument i have seen that might work is the notion the idea that it's crueler to jail someone for life then kill them . I argue that a prisoner should be given the option  to die if they want .As i don't view suffer as equal to justice.

[The Valkyrie]

I thought I was digging all the holes...I've already started! I can only grow -dese fruits- for so long before I have to amend the soil with organics.

Strange fruit.

You leave Vorls out of this!!

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